Ask the particle physicist

Thanks. But when you say, There isn’t really an oscillating dipole that sits and resonates for some time, do you mean that literally or do you mean it occurs so fast that it may as well be instantaneous?

If the prior, then I’ve got at least two textbooks that disagree with you. Don’t get me wrong, though, I know texts say a lot things that aren’t really correct, and I’d certainly take your word over theirs anytime, but I would like to know if I’m missing something.

BTW you should write a popular science book on on Particle physics. You’d probably get rich!

And then you could build your own super collider.

I mean instantaneous as far as we can measure and as far as quantum mechanics cares to describe. However, for induced transitions, where the excited atom is struck with incident radiation at the transition frequency, one sets up a short-lived resonance between the two states. (This situation often comes up in time-dependent perturbation theory, which is distinct from a naked decay in vacuum.)

I’d be interested in reading the passages in the texts you mention, if I happen to have the books nearby. If I’m missing something myself, I would certainly want to find out! Do you have the references (and possibly page numbers) handy?

I scrounged around in some piles of texts, but I could just come up with one of them, Quantum Physics of Atoms, Molecules, Solids, Nuclei, and Particles, second edition, pgs 166-167, 291.

This is a very elementary text, barely touches on QFT, and I read it a long time ago. So I don’t know if it will be at all useful. I think I know what the other one is, and If I find it I’ll report back. I think It’s a little more sophisticated.

ETA: And thanks for the time you’ve taken to answer all these questions.

Have you any regard as far as Alan Watts?

I assume that’s this guy? I don’t know anything about him (except for what I just read on Wikipedia).

Since time slows down as you approach the speed of light is a photon created and destroyed at the same time, from its point of view?

I’ve wondered that, too. It certainly makes parts of quantum mechanics more “intuitive” if photons can be thought of that way, if anything about QM can be said to be intuitive :slight_smile:

What is your preferred reference text for current Standard Model theory?

Stranger

Great thread, I just noticed it! By the way, I’m a physicist (condensed matter–superconductivity) myself who’s now in industry doing applied science (I can’t bear to call myself an engineer :wink: ) completely different from my schooling. It’s good to have threads like these; I wish we had more science specialists doing them.

Can you clarify these two statements, since they seem slightly contradictory? Is there evidence that dark matter is actually matter and not dark anti-matter? Or is “matter” simply sloppy terminology for what would be better called “dark mass”? Is there any indication that dark matter interacts with regular matter in any way besides gravitation? Isn’t non-gravitational interaction a requirement to understand more about dark matter?

What is your opinion of dark matter theory in general? Personally, it reminds me of the epicycles the Ptolemaic model needed to explain the motion of the planets. An extra entity, in other words. Do you think any other theories explaining intra-galactic motion have merit?

Do you have any knowledge of the experiments being done looking for a minimum length scale for gravitational interactions?

In a very general way, we could call the electro-magnetic field the medium in which light propagates. This might help laymen understand the electro-magnetic oscillations you later describe. However, the EM field is not a medium in the sense of a material substance, so calling it a “medium” is ultimately confusing for anyone who really wants to understand what’s going on. (Not that anyone other than J.D. Jackson can really claim to understand the EM field. :smiley: )

A few physicists call c Einstein’s constant (following the precedence of Planck’s). I prefer that term myself, but not enough people know it, so it hinders communication at this time. But it doesn’t hurt to put the idea of the term out there. Maybe someday enough will switch over.

I’m not familiar with this research in detail, but I can explain better what is going on here in general. The monopole described in this paper is a quasi-particle. It is not a fundamental particle, but is instead an emergent property of the system. In materials with large numbers of particles, it’s often mathematically simpler to assume a regular background state (details depend on the material) and only look at deviations from it. Those deviations (assuming the material has the proper symmetries) will have mass, momentum, spin, equations of motion, etc, just like a real particle.

So in this case, instead of keeping track of all the actual magnetic dipoles of the material, they instead keep track of the spots in the material that vary from the background. And those deviations behave as if they were magnetic monopoles.

Since time slows down as you approach the speed of light is a photon created and destroyed at the same time, from its point of view?
Yes, but not because of its clock. For observers like us, the photon’s time appears frozen. For the photon itself, time progresses normally. However, the distance it measures between creation and destruction is zero. So, either way, the photon doesn’t experience any passage of time, but the reason is different depending on who you “ask”.
I’ve wondered that, too. It certainly makes parts of quantum mechanics more “intuitive” if photons can be thought of that way, if anything about QM can be said to be intuitive.
Alas, the less intuitive parts of QM remain so even if you invoke the above special relativitistic effects.
What is your preferred reference text for current Standard Model theory?
There is no single catch-all text, really. I have a shelf full of references I can hit depending on the particular thing I’m after. For many topics, I might seek relevant review articles or original papers. If I want a quick refresher on some subject, the Particle Data Group’s biennial “Review of Particle Physics” has excellent (and concise) reviews on theoretical and experimental topics. M. Peskin and D. Schroeder’s QFT text is good for a rigorous treatment of core standard model topics.

But, again, no single source covers all areas well, so when I need a reference, I usually look in many places. (If your question was aimed at eliciting tailored recommendations, let me know.)
I just noticed this thread…
Yeah, I probably wouldn’t have noticed it either. I read General Questions regularly, but I rarely find myself in MPSIMS. I think there are many with this same M.O. who might be interested in the discussion if they stumbled upon it.
"About a quarter of the universe seems to be made up of matter that we cannot see and whose nature we are unsure of." “The universe also seems to made up of matter, not antimatter. We’ve got to explain that.” Can you clarify these two statements, since they seem slightly contradictory? Is there evidence that dark matter is actually matter and not dark anti-matter? Or is “matter” simply sloppy terminology for what would be better called “dark mass”?
The use of “matter” is the first statement is the sloppy variant (i.e., matter vs. antimatter is not specified.) However, the conundrum in the second statement remains even given the presence of dark matter, since we still look out and see no evidence for, say, antimatter galaxies. Neverminding what dark matter might be, the underlying issue is that the universe doesn’t seem to be treating matter and antimatter symmetrically. (Also, if the hope is to recover the missing baryonic antimatter in the form of dark matter, that fails since we don’t see the annihilations that should occur constantly in the galactic halos or occasionally in intergalactic space.)

We aren’t completely in the dark on dark matter. That is, we do know some things it can be and some things it can’t. Importantly, most of the dark matter doesn’t seem to be baryonic. A large baryonic contribution is inconsistent with the distribution of galaxies and the observed cosmic microwave background fluctuations; and it would lead to atoms (or at least electrically charged particles) in the dark matter halos that should be visible but are not seen.

The large-scale structure in the universe is consistent with so-called “cold” dark matter, which really just means “heavy” dark matter (that is, the dark matter particles need to have been non-relativistic sufficiently early in the universe’s evolution). This nixes the light neutrinos as DM candidates. Favored candidates include hypothetical bosons called axions (which stem from a certain class of standard model extension) and the somewhat generically named “weakly interacting massive particle” (or WIMP). Supersymmetry offers WIMP candidates naturally, as long as they are stable in the model. (Unstable particles are not viable DM candidates since they would have decayed away by now.)
Is there any indication that dark matter interacts with regular matter in any way besides gravitation?
Not yet, and you are correct that such interaction is necessary if we are to learn anything.
What is your opinion of dark matter theory in general? Personally, it reminds me of the epicycles the Ptolemaic model needed to explain the motion of the planets. An extra entity, in other words. Do you think any other theories explaining intra-galactic motion have merit?
Dark matter doesn’t seem too far-fetched to me. The standard model has thrown lots of hints our way that new physics is occuring at energy scales relevant for candidate dark matter particles. Additionally, the amount of dark matter implied by galactic rotation curves is consistent with what comes independently from global fits to cosmological data (e.g., CMB anisotropy). Regarding alternatives: I haven’t seen any compelling ones yet.
Do you have any knowledge of the experiments being done looking for a minimum length scale for gravitational interactions?
Only a little. Anything specific on your mind? I can say for certain that they haven’t found any evidence of deviation from 1/R[sup]2[/sup] yet, but you already knew that. :slight_smile:
A few physicists call c Einstein’s constant (following the precedence of Planck’s). I prefer that term myself, but not enough people know it, so it hinders communication at this time. But it doesn’t hurt to put the idea of the term out there. Maybe someday enough will switch over.
Good luck! “Einstein’s constant” doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well as “spee-da-lite”. I’ll usually just say “c”, actually, like I might say “h-bar” or “e”.

Thanks for the thought provoking thread, Pasta.

This may be an absurd question for a physicist to seriously entertain, or at least one that is unanswerable (or perhaps it has been addressed and I’m just not aware), but it’s one I’ve wondered about for a while, so I’ll ask and hope it’s not too wacky:

First, am I correct in my layman’s assumption that everything in the known universe (matter, antimatter, forces…) is one of the following in composition: particle, wave, or a particle-wave duality?

Second, is it assumed that dark matter (or anything else that may exist in our universe but has not yet been detected or analyzed sufficiently) must also be particle, wave or particle/wave?

Question (s): Is it possible, in compliance with known physical law, that “stuff” may exist in our universe that is neither particle, wave nor a combination of those two—something that we humans simply can’t perceive with our senses (or, by extension our instrumentation). This “other stuff”, if it exists, would, I suppose, be unable to interact significantly with the particles and waves that we are familiar with in any measurable way, otherwise we would have already detected these interactions and predicted the existence of the mystery matter or force. This may make it an unlikely scenario, but, still…

It just seems to me that we humans, or any other terrestrial life form (the products of a few billion years of biological evolution, selected to survive and thrive on a very tiny subset of the universe in toto) would be exceedingly lucky to have evolved senses capable of perceiving (or even conceptualizing) all the main building blocks of something so vast and complex as an entire universe. In other words, we may perceive only particles and waves because that is what we and our local environment are composed of and our senses evolved in response to exploiting this local environment and its makeup—only. Only by extension of these particle and wave detecting senses can we look outward and perceive the far stretches of the universe (our non-local environment)—but perhaps what we perceive and believe to be the complete picture, is only a tiny fraction of it, the particle and wave part. I don’t believe evolution would select for senses that could perceive types of matter or forces that have no direct bearing on our viability on this very tiny terrestrial speck. If the universe is much more complex in composition than our local environment, we may very well not be able to perceive, measure or even predict the additional complexity, at least at this stage of our evolution, IMHO.

Again, sorry if this thesis sounds a bit “out there” or metaphysical, I don’t mean it to be. That said, is there any possibility that waves and particles aren’t the whole picture in our universe?

Should there then be a thread titled “Ask the photon”? :wink:

First, am I correct in my layman’s assumption that everything in the known universe (matter, antimatter, forces…) is one of the following in composition: particle, wave, or a particle-wave duality?
Here’s how I would put it. All matter and antimatter is made of particles, but when I say “particle” I always mean “particle-wave-combo thing” as described upthread. Some particles in the theory are special, in that they can be exchanged between other particles to give rise to forces.

Is this everything in the known universe? No. Gravitation may or may not be due to the exchange of particles. (We certainly don’t have a working theory wherein it is particle-based, but that doesn’t really mean much except that maybe we aren’t sufficiently clever.) Dark matter may or may not be particles. Dark energy: we have no idea what it is.

It is worth noting that the fraction of the known mass-energy in the universe that we can account for by the things we think we understand as particles is only about 4%. Of the other 96% (yes, 96%!) of the stuff in the universe, about a quarter has the properties of dark matter, and about three-quarters of it, dark energy. Beyond that, we can’t say for sure what that 96% is.
Second, is it assumed that dark matter (or anything else that may exist in our universe but has not yet been detected or analyzed sufficiently) must also be particle, wave or particle/wave?
Nope, per the above.
Question (s): Is it possible, in compliance with known physical law, that “stuff” may exist in our universe that is neither particle, wave nor a combination of those two-something that we humans simply can’t perceive with our senses (or, by extension our instrumentation).It just seems to me that we humans, or any other terrestrial life form (the products of a few billion years of biological evolution, selected to survive and thrive on a very tiny subset of the universe in toto) would be exceedingly lucky to have evolved senses capable of perceiving (or even conceptualizing) all the main building blocks of something so vast and complex as an entire universe.Is there any possibility that waves and particles aren’t the whole picture in our universe?

Absolutely! The fact that we can’t say what 96% of the stuff out there even is is a good indication that we have a lot to figure out.

As an example of something we wouldn’t be able to perceive directly: perhaps gravity appears weak to us (relative to the other forces) because most of its strength exists in a dimension beyond the 3+1 that are accessible to us via the other three forces. (There is a large and growing body of theoretical work on the physics possibilities with extra dimensions.)

Thanks for the comprehensive replies to my questions, Pasta. This thread seems to be petering out, and it’s too interesting to let that happen, just yet. So, if you don’t mind a slight hijack, segueing your reply into a little mind theory territory for a bit, maybe we can goose it back to life for a while.

I’m out of my element in both physics and philosophy, but with a lay interest in merging the two fields, I’d appreciate any feedback to the following:

I wish not invoke the wrath of any physicalists out there (I’m probably one myself), but I’m thinking that this vast unknown frontier of particle physics could, perhaps, reinvigorate interest in dualism with regard to philosophy of the mind. Substance dualism in particular, whose main tenet is that there exists two types of substance in the universe: physical and non-physical (mental and material) and the relationship between consciousness and the brain is one of supervenience.

I believe key reasons for dualism falling out of favor in modern times include the following: the total lack of scientific evidence for a non-material mind; non-convincing hypotheses describing exactly how and where interactions could take place between physical and non-physical substances; and a perceived failure to comply with Occam’s Razor (i.e. why necessitate two diametrically opposed types of substance when only one may suffice). However, these arguments against substance dualism may hold significantly less sway if we consider, as you mention: “the fraction of the known mass-energy in the universe that we can account for by the things we think we understand as particles is only about 4%. Of the other 96% (yes, 96%!) of the stuff in the universe, about a quarter has the properties of dark matter, and about three-quarters of it, dark energy. Beyond that, we can’t say for sure what that 96% is.”

If this is the case, I believe a valid argument may be made that the “non-physical” part of substance dualism need not necessarily be non-physical at all, but simply a different type of physical matter, part of that 96% that we just can’t perceive or measure yet. Nothing “woo woo” about it, just uncharted territory in a world that obeys physical law. 96% of the known mass-energy in a universe allows for a very large repository for all types of interesting and esoteric things and processes to exist. Consciousness could be one of them. And perhaps the interactions, or supervenience, between this heretofore cloaked, but still physical material (including the mind) and the familiar physical material (including the brain) is no more complex than fluctuations in the quantum vacuum.

Are there any obvious holes in this line of reasoning?

In the movie “Contact” the government stepped in and “militarized” the project, citing the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence classified information, even though the discovery originated in a non-government controlled facility.

Could…or has…such an edict occur in a physics lab?
In entanglement which scenario is more accurate:

a. Entangled particle pairs are able to communicate quantum information to each other not at c but instantly(even over large distances) because, in some hyper-geometric dimension beyond spacetime as we percieve it, the two particles are actually tangent.
Think of photon exchange from the photon’s point of view: at c the Lorenz contraction goes to zero while time dilation goes to infinity, therefore a photon “sees” no distance to transverse and no interval to lapse. As far as the photon is concerned, the emitting particle and absorbing particle are touching each other.

b. I have a black ball and a white ball in an unmarked box.
I keep my eyes shut and place one of the balls in a rocket ship going to Jupiter.
When it gets there, I look in the box.
“AHA,” sez I, “the box contains the white ball…the black ball is on Jupiter!” a fact I instantly know, even though Jupiter and the ball are now several light-hours away.

General relativity is described with four dimensions for gravity.
Kaluza Klein adds a fifth dimension to GR to get gravity AND electromagnetizm.
M-theory has 11 dimensions to describe all four forces.

I know I’ve asked this question before, but maybe new advances have been made: what about non-linear dimensions? Angular dimensions to describe spin and orbitals? Fractional dimensions, found in fractals? Negative dimensions?
Are any of those found or used in physics today?

No, you have inferred that the black ball around Jupiter. In fact, it may have been ejected, removed, changed color, or any number of other possible operations of which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

Also, fractals are not “fractional”; the term fractal is derived from Latin (fractus, meaning fractured). I’m not certain what a fractional dimension is (much less a fractal one) but the extra dimensions in M-theory are typically described as being “compactified”, topographically self-contained or rolled up to a length too small to influence mechanics on anything but a subatomic scale.

Stranger

Could that be the reason why applying QM to GR creates infinities? Because the four dimensions of spacetime are NOT compactified?

I’m sorry to say this, but you seem to be just jumbling words together without any comprehension of the concepts behind them. “…applying QM to GR” doesn’t “create infinities,” and the normal spatial dimensions are definitionally not compactified by the virtue that we can actually measure them.

Stranger

Neither. :slight_smile: In the first example you’re presuming a faster-than-light cause and effect, which violates Special Relativity. In the second example, you’re presuming that one ball was black and the other was white “all along”; this would be the case if the Hidden variable theory was correct, which apparently it’s not. The way QM works, neither ball was white or black until you performed a measurement which determined which. But whichever color you find, you know the other ball will always be the other color, which is what makes QM so counter-intuitive. The problem is that nothing we know of is “making” the balls be one color or the other- it’s apparently completely non-causual. Your performing the measurement doesn’t determine which color your ball will be, and your ball doesn’t “make” the other ball be the opposite color. If this is highly unsatisfying, you’ve got lots of company.

Dimensions is used here in a purely mathematical sense. A straight line or curve is considered one-dimensional, and a plane is considered two dimensional. A “fractal” curve is one where the curve has kinks and bends in it, which in turn have similarly proportioned kinks and bends, which have still smaller… you get the idea. Just how kinked or bent a curve is- “baroque” one might say- can be described as a number between one and two. One would be a pefectly smooth line or curve, and two would be a curve so infinitely kinked that it completely filled a plane.

Ahh, but given the photon’s perception of time how long would it be before we got a response to any of our questions? :slight_smile: