# Askthepizzaguy V Bricker- The Great Pizza Debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 20, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573 "2012-11-20T02:43:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/1 "2012-11-20T02:43:02Z")
From this thread: > **[Papa John claims health care reform is too expensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=672231)** > > John Schnatter has been railing about the affordable care act, claiming it’ll cost him 5 to 8 million a year, and fifteen cents a pizza and implying this will damage his business. There are numerous problems with this. I would gladly pay a dime... I issued this challenge: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15715907&postcount=157](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15715907&postcount=157) \*\*Request: No other posters besides myself and Bricker, to provide accommodation for his assertion that the board is too liberal. That means equal time. Rule: No double posts. I post, then you post. No response in five days means you concede.\*\* Since you take issue with my claim that the CEO of Papa John’s is a greedy soulless expletive, by all means, you can have the first and last word on the matter. In your opening post, demonstrate clearly why Papa John had no choice but to raise prices or reduce employee hours below 30. Alternatively, and I strongly suspect this is the track you’ll take, demonstrate that mister Schnatter has every right to make whatever business decision he wants, to generate the most profits for himself, at the expense of his employee’s health and ability to make ends meet. To which, I have no argument, he has every right to be a greedy soulless expletive, but that means my characterization of him as such is entirely justified, ergo, you concede the debate immediately. And finally another alternative, you can spray-paint the word liberal on my chest and run away. Or be creative. You have the floor. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/2 "2012-11-20T03:24:11Z")
Since **Bricker** hasn’t agreed to any of your rules(as far as I know), you are basically pulling an “Eastwood”, right? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/3 "2012-11-20T03:34:04Z")
I will further note that this is not an SDMB sanctioned event. While **Askthepizzaguy** may ask that other posters not participate, they will refrain from such contributions or submit such contributions at their own pleasure. The SDMB staff is not about to sit on this thread 24 hours a day to enforce rules created unilaterally by **Askthepizzaguy**. In addition, I also note that I see no agreement from **Bricker** regarding the “rules” of this discussion and, without his explicit agreement, those rules and the conditions for proclaiming a “victory” are nothing more than the wishes of **Askthepizzaguy** that have as much weight as any other private opinion expressed on this board. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/4 "2012-11-20T03:37:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since **Bricker** hasn’t agreed to any of your rules(as far as I know), you are basically pulling an “Eastwood”, right? Nice threadshit. Congrats. ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/5 "2012-11-20T03:41:14Z")
Whee! What a start! ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/6 "2012-11-20T03:53:46Z")
OK, I won’t post. Oh, wait. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/7 "2012-11-20T05:16:05Z")
I think Bricker is winning. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/8 "2012-11-20T06:08:42Z")
I think the chair folded ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/9 "2012-11-20T06:13:58Z")
Isn’t this a re-run? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/10 "2012-11-20T06:30:10Z")
Ten thousand Quatlloos on **Bricker**. **Pizzaguy** : Your posts about life as a pizzaguy were quite good. Very good. This OP… not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/11 "2012-11-20T07:06:10Z")
Did someone say pizza? Oh, beg pardon. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/12 "2012-11-20T12:03:47Z")
I would also like to declare that I am not allowed to post in this thread, and that, furthermore, if I do, I be forced to accept forty million dollars from Askthepizzaguy on the premise that wealth will ruin my life. Damn. I’ll have to take it in cash. Small bills. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/13 "2012-11-20T12:06:06Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I think Bricker is winning. Yep. What was that phrase again, about feeding him? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/14 "2012-11-20T12:06:26Z")
I like Hawaiian pizza. No debate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/15 "2012-11-20T12:19:31Z")
I can’t figure out exactly what the challenge is here. I see two options: 1. Resolved, Papa John’s owner is a “greedy fuck” 2. Resolved, our liberal biases have prevented us from seeing clearly the issues at hand. Further, you are demanding that **Bricker** , in his first post, “demonstrate clearly why Papa John had no choice but to raise prices or reduce employee hours below 30”. But since that is a statement he never made, you are demanding he defend a strawman. At any rate, I’m having trouble with option number 1, I can’t see how anyone is going to define what a “greedy fucK” is in except in a subjective way. In which case, it is just a matter of opinion. As for option, number 2… that is clearly just another strawman since all **Bricker** said in that thread was that you will find plenty of support here for your opinion. No reason that must prevent you from seeing “the issue at hand”, whatever that is, anyway. ETA: Sausage and mushroom, please. None of that pineapple or BBQ chicken crap!! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/16 "2012-11-20T12:25:07Z")
Since we’re obviously not respecting Askthepizzaguy’s request, may I post Papa John Creach videos here? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/17 "2012-11-20T12:45:02Z")
In my neck of the metaphorical woods (New Haven CT area) there are so many excellent small pizza places that I wonder how the national chains ever got a foothold. Even conceding that the quality of the individual pizza parlours vary greatly, any random one of them is likely to be better and cheaper than any of the national chains. But that could be tying back to the concept that people don’t really want “good,” they want “consistent.” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/18 "2012-11-20T12:52:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since **Bricker** hasn’t agreed to any of your rules(as far as I know), you are basically pulling an “Eastwood”, right? > [@Zakalwe](#): > > Nice threadshit. Congrats. What’s an Eastwood? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/19 "2012-11-20T12:53:46Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > In my neck of the metaphorical woods (New Haven CT area) there are so many excellent small pizza places that I wonder how the national chains ever got a foothold. Even conceding that the quality of the individual pizza parlours vary greatly, any random one of them is likely to be better and cheaper than any of the national chains. > > But that could be tying back to the concept that people don’t really want “good,” they want “consistent.” It’s just easier to remember, too. Domino’s, Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s. They get burned into your brain. Then you move somewhere new, especially, it’s easier to get a reliably OK pizza than take the risk on a new place. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573/20 "2012-11-20T13:01:14Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What’s an Eastwood? [The act of having a heated discussion with an empty chair.](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/clint-eastwoods-empty-chair-speech-eastwooding-invisible-obama) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/askthepizzaguy-v-bricker-the-great-pizza-debate/641573.md?page=2)