# Aspidistra has been suspended for 30 days **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Tags:** suspension-banning\ **Created:** [March 15, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623 "2025-03-15T18:37:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ed\_Zotti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/fbc32d/32.png) [@Ed\_Zotti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ed_Zotti)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/1 "2025-03-15T18:37:40Z")
Aspidistra has been suspended for 30 days for ignoring mod instructions to stop misgendering trans people in this thread in the Pit: > [@Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-war-on-transgender-people-omnibus-thread/965609/1733): > > You can thank sex self-id for this. Now that there are many widely-known cases of male-born people identifying as women while making it quite clear that their bodies are still fully male (eg: Jessica Yaniv, Danielle Muscato, [Francisco Javier](https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/01/19/watch-trans-soldier-in-southern-spain-demands-to-share-female-changing-rooms-adding-what-does-it-matter-if-im-six-foot-tall-with-a-beard/), [Planet Fitness Person](https://x.com/2genders1truth/status/1769054711884173633), [Rose Henderson](https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Case-briefing-Darlington-nurses.pdf), [Tyler Porter](https://archive.md/yuJzh), [California YMCA person](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11634567/Girl-17-weeps-recalls-seeing-naked-trans-woman-penis-womens-changing-room.html) and so on and so forth) Apparently nothing bad has happened to these people, despite everyone around them knowing that they are male and claim a woman gender identity. And none of… SDMB rules state: _Do not deliberately misgender another poster – that is, refer to them by a pronoun or other sex-specific term indicating a gender other than the one they identify as… Likewise, do not deliberately misgender off-board figures._ Despite having been warned, Aspidistra then proceeded to make many comments such as the following: _If [trans women are] so much in the progressive bubble that they honestly think it’s common for people to use “female” to mean “person with a completely male body including penis and testicles but a woman gender identity” then they’re wrong and badly connected to reality, but not actually lying (except maybe to themselves)_ _If they had a lot of work done to excise the male parts of themselves, then I still think they’re wrong but could maybe tolerate “I’m not male”_ _If they say that to someone knowing or having reason to believe that that person’s definition of “female” is the usual one - person born with a female reproductive system - then yes, that’s a lie._ This is misgendering and is not permitted on this board. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/2 "2025-03-15T18:43:48Z")
Should have been a full ban but thanks for at least this. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/3 "2025-03-15T18:49:37Z")
Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/4 "2025-03-15T18:50:11Z")
Thirded. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/5 "2025-03-15T18:52:51Z")
> Moderating] > I’m temporarily closing this thread while we work out how to handle the moderation of a particular poster. I will reopen it after we’ve settled on a consensus. > [/Moderating] Since you have made a decision why wasn’t that thread re-opened? ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/6 "2025-03-15T19:08:10Z")
I’m actually pretty happy with the ruling - because it hits all the bits the poster in question did in terms of breaking the rules of the community. First, the misgendering, second, their own acknowledgement in that thread (and others!) that it wasn’t from ignorance of the rules, and third, and most obvious, the unwillingness to follow moderator instructions. They did the deed, they knew it was against the rules, and they ignored moderator instructions to correct their actions. It’s a three-peat of _willful_ action that needs a severe punishment. I do wonder (slightly) at the lack of the topic ban, but suspect that’s because we would rather leave the maximum possibility of having _respectful_ if dissenting conversation on the topic, even if I wonder if it’s truly possible. No matter, well done modloop! ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/7 "2025-03-15T19:30:16Z")
The Modloop of Truth (Moditrue) working well as usual. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/8 "2025-03-15T20:14:11Z")
I wouldn’t characterize this outcome as “working _well_”, but some action is better than nothing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/9 "2025-03-15T20:26:33Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > The Modloop of Truth (Moditrue) working well as usual. Good to see that you clearly agree with this suspension! > [@MrDibble](#): > > I wouldn’t characterize this outcome as “working _well_”, but some action is better than nothing. Yeah, I can’t be the only one that will notice the link at the bottom, _Aspidistra finds loophole in hate speech rules?_ _About This Message Board 2022_ Maybe if we give it another three years (to the month, no less!) Aspidistra will find a way to not break this easy to follow rule. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/10 "2025-03-16T03:24:03Z")
She should be banned instead of just suspended, but I guess transphobia and misgendering still isn’t severe enough for the mods on this board. Figures, we trans people still aren’t important enough for hate and bigotry against us to really face any real consequences… ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/11 "2025-03-16T08:04:53Z")
Seems fair. For future reference, please could the mods tell us how she should have written those comments to express the same meaning, but be within the rules? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/12 "2025-03-16T08:31:22Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > For future reference, please could the mods tell us how she should have written those comments to express the same meaning, but be within the rules? I’m not a Mod but if I were there is no way that I’d give any assistance to anyone who might want to rules lawyer. All one has to do is not be a bigoted asshole. Nearly all of us are able to manage that without assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/13 "2025-03-16T08:53:35Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > For future reference, please could the mods tell us how she should have written those comments to express the same meaning, but be within the rules? Sure: I’ve rewritten it without misgendering anyone. Looks like this: _You can thank increased rights for trans folk for this. Now there are many widely-known cases of transwomen being openly trans without undergoing surgery. Apparently these women haven’t been punished, despite everyone around them knowing that they are trans._ Thing is, without the misgendering, the desire to persecute and marginalize transwomen is laid bare. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/14 "2025-03-16T09:02:27Z")
Thanks. I think Aspidistra would have to say whether that accurately conveys her meaning, but what about the one below in italics? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/15 "2025-03-16T09:03:22Z")
Where they accuse transwomen of lying? That one’s beyond help, and if you don’t understand why, I won’t be explaining it here. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/16 "2025-03-16T09:53:35Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I’m not a Mod but if I were there is no way that I’d give any assistance to anyone who might want to rules lawyer. All one has to do is not be a bigoted asshole. Nearly all of us are able to manage that without assistance. This all day. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/17 "2025-03-16T10:11:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Where they accuse transwomen of lying? That one’s beyond help, and if you don’t understand why, I won’t be explaining it here. I want to understand if the issue is the wording, or whether some ideas are simply not allowed to be expressed in any form. If the issue is wording then a clearer guide would be useful for everyone and particularly for Aspidistra - assuming she’s willing to follow it. Personally, I’ve always struggled to judge whether something will be offensive or not in general - the result of autism - and still more when I am accustomed to extremely different standards in other spaces. I expect the latter is true for Aspidistra too, even if not the former. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/18 "2025-03-16T10:29:21Z")
Don’t blame autism for your hatred of us. You and Aspidistra have been given far too many chances already, and now you are already looking for ways to get around the board’s rules, just like Aspidistra will try to again with their hatred as well. You both need to go, permanently. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/19 "2025-03-16T10:54:34Z")
Yes, the rules also state: 1. Please do not state or imply that transgender people are mentally ill. We realize the question remains controversial. However, we’re not going to settle the matter here, and raising it tends to poison other discussion of transgender issues. Please keep your opinions on the subject to yourself. So accusing all trans people (and their supporters) of either lying or being delusional is against the rules. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623/20 "2025-03-16T11:29:33Z")
For any who were fans of “House, MD,” there was a great scene. A young male patient was an absolute _jerk._ It seemed it could be a _symptom_ of whatever his disease was. In order to draw blood, one of Dr. House’s fellows gives him a sedative, unbeknownst to the mother: > [@](#): > > CUT TO: > > [PPTH, ICU, Nate’s room. Foreman performs the test on Nate, while Enid looks on. Foreman injects Nate.] > > NATE: [drowsily] This a blood test for a marriage license? Plan on kidnapping me to Massachusetts… or Canad… > > [His head drops and he’s out.] > > ENID: What did you give him? [standing] Are you treating him for something? > > FOREMAN: Sedative. > > ENID: Did he need a sedative? > > FOREMAN: I did. Just shutting him up so I can draw some of his blood in peace. > > ENID: [outraged] You walked in with that. You didn’t even give him a chance. > > FOREMAN: People are what they are. > > ENID: [arguing] He’s sick. The rudeness isn’t his fault. > > FOREMAN: If he had tuberculosis, it wouldn’t be his fault either. But I still wouldn’t let him cough on me. Neither should we. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspidistra-has-been-suspended-for-30-days/1015623.md?page=2)