# Assaulted girl left lying half-naked in parking lot for 3 hours by jerk businessmen! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2001, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984 "2001-05-20T07:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/21 "2001-05-21T03:52:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*That wasn’t very polite, Airman… dragging mud from one thread to another seems a tad unnecessary, don’t you think? \*\* This _is_ the Pit, no? Polite’s not required. It would, however, be nice if people kept their mud properly segregated. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/22 "2001-05-21T04:03:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LaurAnge \* > **Also, there are (unfortunately) homeless people who sleep in and around metro stations in Montreal.** Yes, dear, but they don’t usually sleep in the middle of parking lots with no pants on, do they? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/23 "2001-05-21T04:12:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Al Zheimers \* > \*\*Well said Libertarian. On behalf of all businessmen, fuck off Matt. You’ve got a lot to learn before you go from Dairy Queen jerk to $100,000 a year member of parliament, Matt. If I were to venture a generalization on this incident I’d be critical of the mindset of telemarketing wage-slaves in Montreal, or even Montrealers in general. This absolutely would never happen in downtown Calgary, the business capital of Canada. Within minutes a crowd would be around her, covering her up and providing first aid, and police and an ambulance would be there in minutes. This is absolutely true. \*\* I would suggest that your assessment of Calgarians is a little unrealistic. People, even you, are much slower to react to that sort of thing than you might believe, and I do not for one instant think Calgary is immune from this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/24 "2001-05-21T12:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tranquilis \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > > \*\*That wasn’t very polite, Airman… dragging mud from one thread to another seems a tad unnecessary, don’t you think? \*\* > > This _is_ the Pit, no? Polite’s not required. It would, however, be nice if people kept their mud properly segregated. > > \*\* In response to both of you, you’re both right. **Nicklz** , however, has proven himself to be an asshole in two different threads recently. The juxtaposition of his response to this one with his other comments just pissed me off. It won’t happen again. I had my say. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/25 "2001-05-21T19:20:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Also, note that the employees said they didn’t know she was in distress. Um. Tell you what, **LaurAnge** , take off your pants, and go out an lay down in the parking lot. When you start to feel “distressed” come back and apologize to the forum for that comment. Tris ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/26 "2001-05-21T20:08:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Al Zheimers \* > > \*\*Well said Libertarian. On behalf of all businessmen, fuck off Matt. You’ve got a lot to learn before you go from Dairy Queen jerk to $100,000 a year member of parliament, Matt. If I were to venture a generalization on this incident I’d be critical of the mindset of telemarketing wage-slaves in Montreal, or even Montrealers in general. This absolutely would never happen in downtown Calgary, the business capital of Canada. Within minutes a crowd would be around her, covering her up and providing first aid, and police and an ambulance would be there in minutes. This is absolutely true. \*\* > > I would suggest that your assessment of Calgarians is a little unrealistic. People, even you, are much slower to react to that sort of thing than you might believe, and I do not for one instant think Calgary is immune from this sort of thing. \*\* Canadian cat fight! Canadian cat fight! Somebody get the popcorn! ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/27 "2001-05-21T22:16:11Z")
First of all, characterizing the people who didn’t help her as “businessmen” is ridiculous. Telemarketers are not businessmen, they are wage-earners, perhaps with a commision. Businesspeople own or operate businesses, right? So the guy who owns a Dairy Queen is a businessman, and Dairy Queen is a business, but the people who work there are not businesspeople even if they are assistant managers. That said, I also think people are overestimating their response to someone lying in the street. As I walk to work in downtown Seattle, I occasionally observe people sleeping on the street. I sometimes wonder how these people came to be where they are, what has happened in their lives that reduced them to camping on a sidewalk. I typically imagine some combination of addiction or mental illness. But I’ve never woken one up or called 911 about them. I doubt I would easily be able to tell the difference between a street person and somebody beaten into unconsciousness. I would imagine that street people wouldn’t appreciate being woken up by the cops/paramedics because I was worried about them. Does anyone think that I should always call 911 if I see an unconscious/sleeping person lying on the street? I mean, I’m sad this person has had this happen to them, but I don’t think calling 911 is going to help any. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/28 "2001-05-21T22:21:55Z")
First of all, characterizing the people who didn’t help her as “businessmen” is ridiculous. Telemarketers are not businessmen, they are wage-earners, perhaps with a commision. Businesspeople own or operate businesses, right? So the guy who owns a Dairy Queen is a businessman, and Dairy Queen is a business, but the people who work there are not businesspeople even if they are assistant managers. That said, I also think people are overestimating their response to someone lying in the street. As I walk to work in downtown Seattle, I occasionally observe people sleeping on the street. I sometimes wonder how these people came to be where they are, what has happened in their lives that reduced them to camping on a sidewalk. I typically imagine some combination of addiction or mental illness. But I’ve never woken one up or called 911 about them. I doubt I would easily be able to tell the difference between a street person and somebody beaten into unconsciousness. I would imagine that street people wouldn’t appreciate being woken up by the cops/paramedics because I was worried about them. Does anyone think that I should always call 911 if I see an unconscious/sleeping person lying on the street? I mean, I’m sad this person has had this happen to them, but I don’t think calling 911 is going to help any. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2001, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/29 "2001-05-21T23:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Triskadecamus \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Also, note that the employees said they didn’t know she was in distress. > > Um. Tell you what, **LaurAnge** , take off your pants, and go out an lay down in the parking lot. When you start to feel “distressed” come back and apologize to the forum for that comment. > > Tris > \*\* My goodness, I let my faith in humanity show through by saying these people could have been **dumb** rather than **malicious** and you ask me to apologise? I don’t think so. Truthfully, though it is an obvious problem that no one helped her, I think the bigger problem was that she got beaten and probably raped in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![MordantCarnival](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@MordantCarnival](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MordantCarnival)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2001, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/30 "2001-05-22T22:15:02Z")
Kitty Genovese, anybody? Thirty-odd years since Stanley rocked the shock box and we’ve learned nowt. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2001, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/31 "2001-05-25T02:50:28Z")
As much as we would all love to pretend that we would not do what these telemarketers did, the influence of social norms is strong in all of us. Who can just have a heart attack in the middle of a busy street without someone calling 911? Apparently a while. There is not class distinction, nothing that makes the non-callers bad people. It is just hard to break out of the actions of others. ---
**Author:** ![PotLuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@PotLuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PotLuck)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2001, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984/32 "2001-05-25T20:50:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lemur866 \* > **I doubt I would easily be able to tell the difference between a street person and somebody beaten into unconsciousness.** If the person in question is a nude woman, it’s most likely the latter. I see people panhandling and lying on the streets of Toronto every single day; it’s an unfortunate but common occurence in major cities worldwide. I admit that not once have I knelt down and checked for a pulse as I passed someone I presumed to be sleeping. However, when it comes to ignoring a woman lying _naked_ in a parking lot at 7am simply because she’s not in a pool of blood, I can’t see a logical comparison between the two events. Benefit of the doubt be damned. The people who saw and ignored her should have erred on the side of caution instead of making excuses for their apathy. My response to the “maybe she was just drunk” theory is, when someone is drunk enough to end up naked and unconscious in a parking lot, they need help. _Especially_ if they are on lying their back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assaulted-girl-left-lying-half-naked-in-parking-lot-for-3-hours-by-jerk-businessmen/65984.md?page=1)