# Asshole fans attack Chicago's first base coach **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827 "2002-09-20T16:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/21 "2002-09-20T19:48:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Well that ump should have done something. \*\* Throw them out of the game, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/22 "2002-09-20T19:48:53Z")
That William Ligue, Jr. guy looks like Steve Perry from **Journey**. I wondered what he’d been up to. ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/23 "2002-09-20T21:03:51Z")
I still have a problem with the ChiSox 1st baseman and the ump not doing **ANYTHING** to help. Hell the umpire was looking at the incident the whole time. I just realized that Ligue Jr, the 34 year old had Jr. Assknuckle when he was 19. How much you want to bet Ligue has never even stepped ont oa college campus? Oh yeah, I also found it mildly amusing that Poppa Ligue, apparently was too drunk/stoned/drugged out of his mind to bother to tak his glasses off before he & his son jumped the 1st base coach. As someone who wears glasses all the time, the 1st rule is, if shit is going down, take your glasses off and put 'em in your pocket. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/24 "2002-09-20T21:47:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\* > > Throw them out of the game, maybe? \*\* Beat the shit out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/25 "2002-09-20T22:20:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*A quick apology: > > **Hamlet** , I shouldn’t have called you an idiot. That was uncalled-for. My apologies. > > I still say Willie Harris or Matt Hollowell, or both (thanks for the info, **elf6c** , should have come to Gamboa’s aid instead of doing their best to quickly calculate the gross national product of Peru as expressed in Dutch guilders, or whatever was occupying their time. \*\* Let’s be fair, everyone standing around 1st base was caught by complete surprise. Ones first instinct on seeing a dust up, is to move away, then contemplate your next actions. By comparison, the entire Royals team had time to see things develop from their dugout. They saw the shirtless losers land make their way from the stands to the 1st base area. Not a huge distance, but enough to evaluate who these goons were and formulate a plan of action. All those freaking baseball bats in the dugout and not one K.C. player brings one out for use on these “voted-most-likely-to-be-seen-mumbling-and-trying-not-to look directly-at-a-police-officer-on-COPS” winners? C’mon! ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/26 "2002-09-20T22:36:14Z")
Having grown up in Chicago, on the North side, where something like this would _never_ occur in Wrigley Field, 😉 I take great comfort in knowing that once the KC Royals were done with these two, the CPD got to go next. Too bad ESPN couldn’t have broadcast the “booking” procedures. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/27 "2002-09-20T22:47:44Z")
This is what Gamboa, the victim, had to say about the ump and the second baseman, from [this](http://www.sportingnews.com/baseball/scoreboard/20020919/recap/428315.html) article. > [@](#): > > \*\*Gamboa said he doesn’t blame White Sox security for the incident. And he doesn’t fault first-base umpire Matt Hollowell or White Sox second baseman Willie Harris for not immediately coming to his aid. > > “In fairness to everybody,” Gamboa said, “everyone was stunned.”\*\* It caught everybody by suprise. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/28 "2002-09-21T01:56:38Z")
I just saw an interview with Willie Harris, the White Sox second baseman who was all of ten feet away when this started happening. Harris said something to the effect of “I didn’t know what was happening, but none of the guys involved had on a black-and-white uniform, so I figured it was none of my business.” (Paraphrasing, because my memory isn’t great, but that’s pretty darn close.) Thanks, Willie. I’m sure they’ll be sending the Nobel Peace Prize to you any day now. Does the name “Kitty Genovese” mean anything to you? And you ain’t off the hook either, Hollowell; I just haven’t heard your asinine explanation of why you’d let a baseball coach get beat up ten feet away on the field and not do anything about it. I’m sure it’s equally as edifying as Willie’s. ---
**Author:** ![clayton\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@clayton\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clayton_e)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/29 "2002-09-21T04:19:30Z")
Where’s the vid at? ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/30 "2002-09-21T04:42:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pugluvr \* > **to do this a few feet from a dugout full of 200-pound, hard muscled professional baseball players…** armed with baseball bats! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/31 "2002-09-21T04:47:11Z")
The reason they didn’t bring the bats with them, of course, is that they instinctively went into Brawl Mode. In Brawl Mode, you leave the bats in the dugout, because taking a bat to a fight means you get a 2-month suspension instead of a 2-day suspension. They saw a scrap, thought “Brawl!” and out they want to pound Ligues _Pere_ and _Fils._ As for Ligue Sr, I thought he looked better in that video with Pam Anderson. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/32 "2002-09-21T05:02:05Z")
This was on tonight on NBC Nightly News(I think, the one with Tom Brokaw). Want to know how they spun it? “Look how horrible baseball fans are getting!” **Excuse me**? Two dumbfucks do this and now all baseball fans are painted with the same brush? Shitheads. Then they go on to say how no one ever did this in the past. **Are you on fucking crack**? Once again someone with an apparent agenda is romanticizing the past. Shit like this used to happen ALL the time way back in the 20’s and such. Its not new. I’m not saying it was right then, or is right now, but for fucks sake don’t try and pass this off as a new thing and a further sign of the downfall of baseball you stupid fucks! Arrrrrggggghhhh I hate the news. ---
**Author:** ![stolatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@stolatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolatt)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/33 "2002-09-21T07:53:51Z")
I just like the way all the players were piled on these guys three deep so you really can’t tell who beat the shit out of them. Hopefully that will keep the ballplayers out of court when these losers sue. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/34 "2002-09-21T11:03:42Z")
Gamboa is 54. That’s not old. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/35 "2002-09-21T11:05:55Z")
And I, too, would like to see video! Pleeeeeeeze? ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/36 "2002-09-21T11:08:58Z")
According to the morning paper (sorry, the story doesn’t appear to be in the on-line version), the father and son are saying they were provoked. It seems they were yelling insults at the coach all during the game and they say he gave them the finger. Let me get this straight: You yell insults at someone, they finally respond, and somehow this means _you_ were provoked. :wally CJ ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/37 "2002-09-21T15:17:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rilchiam \* > \*\*Gamboa is 54. That’s not old. \*\* Well, no, but the father was 34 and the son 15. Compared to them, he was old. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/38 "2002-09-21T17:10:57Z")
Here’s a new gem that came out today: > [@](#): > > Around the seventh inning, Ligue called a female relative on a cell phone to ask if she was watching the game, and when she could not find the channel, he said, "Well then, just watch the news,’’ the source said. [Source](http://msn.espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0921/1434838.html) Supposedly Daddy had _three_ beers before the incident. Only three? Yeah right. That shithead probably has three beers before a typical breakfast. Haj ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/39 "2002-09-21T18:13:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nanook of the North Shore \* > \*\* “Look how horrible baseball fans are getting!” **Excuse me**? Two dumbfucks do this and now all baseball fans are painted with the same brush? Shitheads. Then they go on to say how no one ever did this in the past. **Are you on fucking crack**? Once again someone with an apparent agenda is romanticizing the past. Shit like this used to happen ALL the time way back in the 20’s and such. Its not new. \*\* Try not to display your semi-ignorance quite so publicly, 'kay? You said, “ **Shit like this used to happen ALL the time way back in the 20’s and such.** ” Care to define “ **ALL the time** ” for us? I could take it to mean that during every single mlb game played back in the **entire** decade of the 20’s that some fan ran on the field and jumped a player. Now, if that had in fact been the case, there wouldn’t **be** any more mlb games, because the sport would have been banned. While events like this do happen they hardly happen **ALL the time.** ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/40 "2002-09-21T18:35:10Z")
It’s nice to see baseball bringing fathers and sons closer together in shared activities. 😉 [sub]The family that preys together stays together.[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827.md?page=3)