# Asshole fans attack Chicago's first base coach **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827 "2002-09-20T16:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/41 "2002-09-21T19:01:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hajario \* > \*\*Here’s a new gem that came out today: > > Supposedly Daddy had _three_ beers before the incident. Only three? > Haj \*\* **Haj** you need the patented “Asshole/English - English/Asshole” dictionary in order to correctly translate that sentence - In English, it is: “hey, I only had **three** kegs of\*\* beer (s)\*\*” Yer welcome. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/42 "2002-09-21T19:03:10Z")
Awww _shit_, I wasted my 7000th post on **that** ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/43 "2002-09-21T20:10:46Z")
Wow, these guys are amazingly stupid. “Hey son, want to go get the shit beaten out of you by a bunch of big, steroidally enhanced supermen?” I wonder what they’re going to do with the kid. And **wring**? Seven thousand fifty third, plus however many have been lost and deleted. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/44 "2002-09-21T21:35:04Z")
So I click on the ESPN link someone has above to see it, (even though I saw it on tv already), and what do I get? A pop-up ad for Miller Lite. How ironic. I did see the stills of them hauling daddy off, I can’t believe he wasn’t in worse shape after that scuffle. ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/45 "2002-09-21T22:17:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WSLer \* > I just realized that Ligue Jr, the 34 year old had Jr. Assknuckle when he was 19. How much you want to bet Ligue has never even stepped onto college campus? What does him possibly not going to college have to do with anything? No one in my family has gone to college, and last time I checked none of us have ever violently attacked someone. ---
**Author:** ![Tiburon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Tiburon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tiburon)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/46 "2002-09-21T22:20:59Z")
I was sort of stunned watching the umpire and Chicago player standing there but I do think it is entirely possible that they were stunned. Further, every single time I have seen the tape, it has been in slow motion. So while I’m watching them thinking that they have had 7 seconds to respond, it is more like 2 or 3 in real time. Tibs. [hijack] Anyone remember George Brett storming the field after hitting a homer and someone claiming he had too much pine tar on the bat? Now that was one angry man. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/47 "2002-09-21T22:54:46Z")
Posted by _Hamlet_ > [@](#): > > \*\* > Two assholes who probably have the same mother \*\* Are you suggesting incest? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/48 "2002-09-22T04:46:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WSLer \* > \*\* > > Try not to display your semi-ignorance quite so publicly, 'kay? > > You said, “ **Shit like this used to happen ALL the time way back in the 20’s and such.** ” > > Care to define “ **ALL the time** ” for us? I could take it to mean that during every single mlb game played back in the **entire** decade of the 20’s that some fan ran on the field and jumped a player. > > Now, if that had in fact been the case, there wouldn’t **be** any more mlb games, because the sport would have been banned. > > While events like this do happen they hardly happen **ALL the time.** \*\* Now exactly who is diplaying ignorance here? In case you didn’t notice by the tone of my post I was ranting. And when one rants, one generally exaggerates. Obviously it didn’t happen at EVERY SINGLE GAME, but it definately happened. Read Bill James Historical Abstract. There are stories of umps fighting with fans, umps fighting with players, players fighting with players, players fighting with fans, players fighting with coaches, coaches and fans, coaches and umps. Further you seem to have missed the point entirely. My point was the continued glorification of the past at the cost of denigrating the present. The Golden Age of baseball wasn’t really all that golden. That is **not** the same as saying it sucked, or that it was all bad. Simply that we have to take off the damn rose colored glasses and stop trying to portray everything that happened in the past as being nothing but great. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/49 "2002-09-22T05:49:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nanook of the North Shore \* > \*\* > My point was the continued glorification of the past at the cost of denigrating the present. The Golden Age of baseball wasn’t really all that golden. That is **not** the same as saying it sucked, or that it was all bad. Simply that we have to take off the damn rose colored glasses and stop trying to portray everything that happened in the past as being nothing but great. \*\* **Nanook** , you are right. Not just about the Golden Age of baseball, but the Golden Age of anything. Case in point: The late 30s and early 40s are regarded as the Golden Age of Movies. Arguably so for viewers, stars and directors. Not so for crew members and low-level actors, and extras, who had to work non-union. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Scene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Bob\_Scene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Scene)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/50 "2002-09-22T15:48:29Z")
This is kind of a hijack, but this incident reminds me of the time in 1976 when another father-son team ran out on the field at Dodger Stadium with an American flag they were half-ass trying to burn, and Rick Monday rescued it. They didn’t get beat up by the players, but they did get cussed out by Tommy Lasorda, which might be worse. I think I’m going to go call my dad and ask him why we never disrupted any baseball games together when I was growing up. ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/51 "2002-09-22T17:26:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nanook of the North Shore \* > \*\*Read Bill James Historical Abstract. There are stories of umps fighting with fans, umps fighting with players, players fighting with players, players fighting with fans, players fighting with coaches, coaches and fans, coaches and umps. > \*\* This is the same Bill James who continues to bleat and screech about how the **Dowd Report** is a bunch of lies and that A. Bartlett giamatti had a vendetta against Pete Rose, which is the _REAL_ :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: reason that Rose was banned, not because Rose bet on baseball. OH PLEASE. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/52 "2002-09-22T21:44:53Z")
**Nanook** , I may be wrong about this, but is it true that ballparks used to have “Ladies’ Sections”, so that women wouldn’t get stuck in the middle of brawls? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/53 "2002-09-23T00:57:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WSLer \* > \*\* > > This is the same Bill James who continues to bleat and screech about how the **Dowd Report** is a bunch of lies and that A. Bartlett giamatti had a vendetta against Pete Rose, which is the _REAL_ \* :rolleyes: reason that Rose was banned, not because Rose bet on baseball. > > OH PLEASE. \*\* \*Gratuitous smiley abuse snipped by me. Right. Rather than bother admitting that you missed the point, you continue to pick a nit and now you attack one of the most respected historians in baseball. Uh huh. Just for you here are three cites about how Ty Cobb fought with everyone. [With his teammates.](http://wso.williams.edu/~jkossuth/cobb/fans.htm) [With other players and managers.](http://wso.williams.edu/~jkossuth/cobb/others.htm) [With fans.](http://wso.williams.edu/~jkossuth/cobb/race.htm) That doesn’t even cover the times he fought with umpires and managers. And he’s just the most famous of those that fought. It wasn’t uncommon. Now do you have any intentions of actually adressing my point or are you going to continue to shove your head in the sand and ignore it? Or maybe a counter cite to the ones I gave? No? Didn’t think so. Rilch, I don’t really know actually. I don’t doubt they had ladies sections, but I don’t know the reasons behind it. I couldn’t find anything in a brief search, but then again my Google skills aren’t that great. I keep meaning to ask DDG for a tutorial but I haven’t gotten around to it yet 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/54 "2002-09-23T01:31:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Supposedly Daddy had three beers before the incident. The general rule we use at work (“Well, Doc, I’d say I drink two or three beers every day”) is to take the number of drinks per day you’re given and multiply it by pi. That gives us more like 9 1/2 beers here, which seems more reasonable. That, or it was “Jumbo 128 oz. Beer Night”. Dr. J ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/55 "2002-09-23T01:41:02Z")
Okay, **Nanook** ; no sweat. Thanks for the Ty Cobb info, though. God, he gave crackers a bad name. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/56 "2002-09-23T03:20:20Z")
I agree with a number of folks that have already mentioned this, but to just pile on… the thing that bothered me the most about this clip was the White Sox second baseman and the umpire both standing there, looking at it, and moving backwards. I don’t know what was going through their collective minds at that moment, but I find it hard to believe that 20 Royals reacted so swiftly while these two guys moved away. What the hell did they think it was? Some sort of promotion or give-away? (Beat the shit out of the first-base coach to the lucky finder of the star at the bottom of his beer cup! Bring the kids!) I would think that more than likely, the White Sox and umpire in question would have seen these two bozos coming toward them. Personally, if I was that Sox player, I would feel like shit for not jumping into that pile with the Royals and taking a couple of swings to help. Not that they needed help, mind you. But I’ll bet that every time he sees that clip, he cringes at the way he pulls back. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/57 "2002-09-23T04:01:53Z")
Let’s see, you just saw two guys jump on a coach followed by an ENTIRE TEAM running into the firld. How can you be sure if you jump in to help, someone from the other team won’t ‘accidentally’ takes a shot on you? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/58 "2002-09-23T12:22:32Z")
I must remember this next time there is a soccer violence thread. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/59 "2002-09-23T17:16:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LunaSea \* > \*\*What does him possibly not going to college have to do with anything? No one in my family has gone to college, and last time I checked none of us have ever violently attacked someone. \*\* Thanks, LunaSea. You saved me from telling WSLer to suck my left nut. Okay, maybe you didn’t. But at least you were nicer about it. WSLer, you fucking dimwit. ---
**Author:** ![\_etalhea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/779978/32.png) [@\_etalhea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_etalhea)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827/60 "2002-09-23T20:04:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WSLer \* > \*\*I just realized that Ligue Jr, the 34 year old had Jr. Assknuckle when he was 19. How much you want to bet Ligue has never even stepped ont oa college campus? > \*\* This is off-topic, and has been said in previous posts to some extent, but I’d just like to amplify this point, if I may: HEY ASSHOLE! Don’t show YOUR ignorance quite so publicly by making vague fucking generalizations like this. I was a father at 18, and I have a bachelors in Industrial & Systems Engineering from one of the top engineering schools in the nation. I know plenty of people with similar experience. Education does not guarantee civility or common sense, nor does the lack thereof guarantee less-than-acceptable behavior. Your post doesn’t demonstrate these guys’ ignorance (it’s already obvious) but it sure as hell shows yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/asshole-fans-attack-chicagos-first-base-coach/128827.md?page=4)