Exactly - American oligarchs upset that Russian oligarchs are poaching on their turf?
Neither gives a tinker’s damn about the integrity of the elections.
No. I was describing your post.
Weirdly I came home to a letter in the mail yesterday that stated that my voter registration had become inactive (Jefferson County, CO). I don’t think it’s a Russian plot or anything, but is was weirdly disconcerting. As far as I can tell though this phenomenon is limited geographically to my residence. I was able to reactivate online but I have to wait 72 hours to see if it takes.
Not a very accurate description, but whatever.
I don’t follow. What does the middle paragraph refer to?
Yet it took news media to reveal the June 9 meeting with Veselnetkaya. How did that happen, if the NSA knows it all? Maybe it has something to do with legal prohibitions against monitoring American citizens.
Do you mean organizations that really believe it, like the CIA, FBI, and Office of National Intelligence?
Not with those who have a vested interest in Trump not being found to have been involved, that’s for sure.
How would you know what intel organizations are doing about it? Do you have access to sensitive information that none of us do? (Not that I’d lay that at the door of Trump, anyway; he’s done everything he can to ensure that nothing is done. It would be people just doing their jobs, protecting their country as they swore to do, unlike Trump.)
The Russians already have a dossier. Problem is, the best stuff has already been disseminated. All they have left are monitored conversations while she was in Russia, and nothing particularly incriminating, or it would have come out by now.
Not sand. Quicksand.
I suspect you don’t realize that you gave yourself away, there; the idea that ‘most multi-millionaires’ are ‘corrupt’ is profoundly Russian. It’s not something one would expect an American to post, let alone one who’s purportedly from “Left Coast USA”. (!)
If you want your dezinformatsiya to have an effect, you need to try a little harder.
Really?* No other people on Earth are capable of sussing out for themselves that, as that great Russian novelist Honore de Balzac said, “Behind every great fortune there is a great crime”?
Unlike your stereotypical ‘American’ I read other things besides Twitter.
Fascinating that you are so deep into your paranoid CT that you immediately assume I’m not an American who lives in the United States.
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It’s exactly this kind of over-the-top reaction that undermines the credibility for any further making-stuff-up-as-you-go-along you have to offer.
You’re the only one who seems to speak Russian - shall we take that as ‘evidence’ you are a Putin agent at some troll farm her to spread division?
There was widespread concern about the actual vote count in the 2000 Presidential election.
Everyone will immediately stop the accusations back and forth. Any personal cracks will be sanctioned from this point forward.
I thought it was more about the hanging chads. The only significant complaints I heard about were the Diebold machines, and that was 2004, and Ohio, in terms of actual hacking of the vote tallies.
And I wouldn’t say Algore dropped it - he took it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Regards,
Shodan
Well not really. There was a close vote in one state and the recount was closely watched but in the context of this discussion “Gore and his party dropped the ball in the 2000 election.” is kind of a non sequitur. Also, you are misinterpreting the Balzac quote, which isn’t actually a real quote anyway.
It’s been widely reported that the NSA spies on Americans. I read about it in the newspapers and remember stuff from even months back!
They seem to claim to believe it. As I pointed out one convincing evidence that they actually believe would be acting as if they believed - things like obtaining access to the servers that were supposedly hacked, or examining the voting machines that were supposedly rigged.
As has been pointed out, they are unlikely to find the hard evidence they need if they don’t look for it. But those who have a vested interest in Trump’s being accused seem willing to skip this step and go straight to shrieking about ‘treason’.
Yes, I am looking for what is the purported ‘all of this collusion’ is supposed to actually entail, not just some vague handwaving. It doesn’t appear the ‘hacking’ and ‘rigging’ narratives have been taken seriously and are being walked back to some financial shenanigans.
If you really want to cite the absence of evidence as a compelling argument to believe your story, I’m not sure that will work as well with me as it might for others.
Where can I read this dossier you seem to believe Putin handed off to Trump?
It does seem to be quicksand - you can’t tell me what the secret agents know so we have to take their word for it.
Some people who may or not have been Russian nationals wrote mean things about Clinton on FaceBook - that’s ‘proof’ of collusion?
This is taking longer than we thought!
Well, it was a multi-faceted circus. Chads, confused ballots, registration, voter suppression, etc.
But there was some criticism that Gore didn’t push hard enough for the voters:
Yes, the 2004 election highlighted part of what I called our eminently hackable electoral system.
We’ve known for a long time our system is broken as seen from the voters’ point of view.
Yes to both. (The ‘Balzac quote’ ploy was pretty poorly-handled by the poster.)
The message being sold by that poster is rather unsubtle: ‘both your parties are corrupt and no one cares about your concerns, and your vote is worthless, and historically your vote has been worthless and voting has been futile and pointless, so you may has well check out and stop voting and just let the corrupt elites do whatever they want.’
Pass.
Actually, all over the map as I correctly remember:
Yes, I watched and have some memory of what happened as it unfolded in the news.
In my opinion Gore was very relevant to the 2000 Presidential race and its outcome. Not sure how you managed to think he’s some kind of non sequitur.
In the context of being distrustful of the purported moral excellence of the millionaire class it’s perfectly apropos in demonstrating that rational skepticism is some sort of exclusive province of The Russians as was being suggested
Unlike the “you’re a damn Commie… er. Putin puppet” ploy?
How you got that out what I actually wrote must require a level of pretzel logic that would seem to be superhuman.
But you coudn’t quote me saying anything crazy like that, so you pretend to interpret my ‘real’ message for the benefit of those not quick enough to accuse me of being a Kremlin spy.
Russians are Communists? Say what?
As for my interpretation of your ‘don’t bother voting’ message, we’ll see how much traction either your message or my interpretation of it gain.
Why you insist on misrepresenting me is something only you know.
But it seems you prefer to argue with a strawman of your own devising rather than engage in a rational discussion.
So you believe that all Americans should vote, and that their votes count?