# Assume Trump wins and the sky doesn't fall, what are the results **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480 "2016-11-02T21:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/41 "2016-11-05T03:18:21Z")
And For economy, I am not sure anymore (don’t know if he is better or worse) ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/42 "2016-11-05T03:25:00Z")
Smart thing abt Trump is once he doesn’t need to raise an issue or doesn’t need to criticize someone, he stops speaking about it. Till the point he needed to beat Cruz and Rubio etc. he may have said bad and false things about them. But having beaten them, he is ok. I thing like this, there are things that he is saying just for getting votes and will ignore post his win(if he wins) ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/43 "2016-11-05T04:02:54Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > The worst thing about Trump imo is his views on man-made climate change. > > Fo immigration, he will be bad. coz less immigrants vote for him than for others. > > For national unity, he will be good (better than opposition) > > For relations with Russia, Israel and Europe, he will be good. (Better than opposition). Middle East policy also, better than opposition’s. > > Relations with India nd China - same as other party. > > Good thing also is he will be harsh on the medieval, intolerant, unreformist religion and terrorism emanating from it. Once the Trump-Putin bromance fades, as it will the first time Trump learns that Izvestiya published something unflattering about him, U.S.-Russian relations will be worse than they would be under a President Clinton. Even though there is bad blood between her and Putin, at least she is rational and not impulsive like Trump. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/44 "2016-11-05T05:34:18Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > For relations with Russia, Israel and Europe, he will be good. Relations with Russia, very likely. Israel, probably. Europe? OMG, what are you reading? He’s talked about pulling out of NATO obligations, and, other than Brexit fans and nationalists over there, most Europeans think that a Trump presidency would be devastating for US/European relations. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/45 "2016-11-05T05:41:51Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Smart thing abt Trump is once he doesn’t need to raise an issue or doesn’t need to criticize someone, he stops speaking about it. The guy who can’t let go of the “short-fingered vulgarian” insult that Spy Magazine flung at him in 1988? > [@](#): > > Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers. > **[Steel Traps and Short Fingers](https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump)** > > In his November editor’s letter, Graydon Carter reveals the presidential candidate’s thin-skinned response to a favorite 25-year-old epithet. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/46 "2016-11-05T07:20:06Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Once the Trump-Putin bromance fades, as it will the first time Trump learns that Izvestiya published something unflattering about him, U.S.-Russian relations will be worse than they would be under a President Clinton. Even though there is bad blood between her and Putin, at least she is rational and not impulsive like Trump. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Europe? OMG, what are you reading? He’s talked about pulling out of NATO obligations, and, other than Brexit fans and nationalists over there, most Europeans think that a Trump presidency would be devastating for US/European relations. Maybe I am wrong about this. I think Trump seeks balance and more honesty(less hypocrisy) in relationship. Like balance in trade, no currency manipulation, against the sort of American behaviour that costed 300,000+ and counting lives in Syria, more honest in criticizing intolerant, medieval and radical Islam and the governments who use it. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The guy who can’t let go of the “short-fingered vulgarian” insult that Spy Magazine flung at him in 1988? > > [Steel Traps and Short Fingers | Vanity Fair](http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump) Maybe he is attempting trolling but his attempt gone wrong. It’s funny behaviour I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/47 "2016-11-05T08:51:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton may be less loud about it, but she’s also quite paranoid and sees enemies everywhere, from the FBI, to the NY Times(the media as a whole, actually), to the public(her obsession with keeping secrets from the public that aren’t supposed to be secrets). She also refused to rule out firing James Comey in an interview yesterday. Clinton isn’t paranoid. She actually has enemies. But she seems to have a functional relationship with that. If an enemy is a ongoing threat, she’ll oppose the enemy. That’s a rational response. And she’s also able to dismiss enemies when they’re no threat to her. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/48 "2016-11-05T09:35:31Z")
Everyone has enemies. The people I referred to are not her enemies, yet she treats them as if they were. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/49 "2016-11-05T10:51:12Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I’m sure Trump will sign whatever the congress passes for him, but I’m hoping the dems win the senate back and can block the worst of it. Given the way so many Senate races are on a knife-edge, the combination of a Trump win and 51+ Dem Senators looks like a pretty low-probability event to me. > [@dracoi](#): > > Nothing in American politics is ever as extreme as its opponents declare that it will be. But it’s often every bit as extreme as its _proponents_ declare it will be. The rather blasé attitude on the part of the media towards Congressional Republican plans really scares me, because everyone’s gonna be surprised as hell when they do all the things they’ve been wanting to do. The press has an ‘oh, they don’t really _mean_ it, it’s just talk to rally the base, everybody talks big during campaigns, but they always get real afterwards’ attitude. But the GOP Congress is mostly guys who are quite in tune with their base, and the rest of them don’t want to piss off the base. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/50 "2016-11-05T11:20:10Z")
Republicans have many faults, but presenting themselves as something they aren’t isn’t one of them. They absolutely will do everything they’ve said if they get the chance. The big mystery is Trump. I don’t think Trump will actually sign anything they present him with. That’s not his nature. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/51 "2016-11-05T16:12:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The big mystery is Trump. I don’t think Trump will actually sign anything they present him with. That’s not his nature. That’s where you and I will have to differ, and pray devoutly that we never find out which of us is right. I think it’s pretty clear that Trump doesn’t give a good goddamn about most issues, and would be happy to let Congress resolve most issues, possibly with input from Pence. Outside of immigration and trade, I just don’t see him having a firm position on anything other than legislation affecting him or his business interests. And he isn’t likely to even pay much attention to what’s in the legislation Congress passes - reading isn’t exactly his forte; hell, _listening_ isn’t exactly his forte. He’d be too busy being The Big Man, and using the levers of Executive power to exact revenge on those who have slighted him. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/52 "2016-11-05T16:15:48Z")
Trump will sign anything that 1. Doesn’t effect his bottom line, and 2. Makes him look good to those in power. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/53 "2016-11-05T16:33:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Republicans have many faults, but presenting themselves as something they aren’t isn’t one of them. They absolutely will do everything they’ve said if they get the chance. Really? How many Republicans have said they want to reduce the deficit and then cut taxes? ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/54 "2016-11-05T16:34:58Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Relations with Russia, very likely. > > Israel, probably. > > Europe? OMG, what are you reading? He’s talked about pulling out of NATO obligations, and, other than Brexit fans and nationalists over there, most Europeans think that a Trump presidency would be devastating for US/European relations. Trump would probably find intellectual allies _on some issues_ in Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and some other eastern European countries. In general people in eastern and central Europe are much more nationalistic and hostile to immigration than in the west. His opposition to NATO would be more troubling to eastern European countries, but even there we shouldn’t overstate how supportive the populace (as opposed to elites) are of NATO. The largest opposition party in Hungary (and overwhelmingly the most popular among young people) is an extreme ethnonationalist party that’s opposed to NATO and supportive of Russia; the Estonian electorate now thinks Muslim immigration is a bigger existential threat to their country than a Russian invasion (and this is even true when you restrict the survey to ethnic Estonians), and for that matter Austria isn’t even in NATO to begin with, IIRC. Then again, while Trump is actually less nativist / ethnocentric than many of these European politicians, he’s also substantially dumber and less thoughtful (and has all the well known personal character issues), so I think he would be a terrible leader _even with respect to issues where I’m likely to agree with him_. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/55 "2016-11-05T16:36:30Z")
No Republican sponsored legislation will make it to Trump’s desk without a hard sell by Pence and whatever GOP insiders Christie hires to fill out his administration. I have a hard believing that Trump would ever reject that echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/56 "2016-11-06T02:10:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Really? How many Republicans have said they want to reduce the deficit and then cut taxes? That’s an issue of the math not working out. When they have to prioritize, Republicans always choose tax cuts and wuss out on spending cuts. But that’s an issue of courage and failure to do basic math, not deception. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/57 "2016-11-06T02:11:25Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > No Republican sponsored legislation will make it to Trump’s desk without a hard sell by Pence and whatever GOP insiders Christie hires to fill out his administration. I have a hard believing that Trump would ever reject that echo chamber. Why would the difficult relationship between Trump and top Republicans improve once he took office? And you don’t think Trump is the kind of guy who would veto out of spite because Paul Ryan insulted him? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/58 "2016-11-06T02:21:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Why would the difficult relationship between Trump and top Republicans improve once he took office? At the sight of naked power we have seen many Republicans sounding as if they are delighted to support the Trompo in chief now. > [@adaher](#): > > And you don’t think Trump is the kind of guy who would veto out of spite because Paul Ryan insulted him? Trump is the kind of guy to wait for revenge at a latter date, like in the 2018 midterms by supporting the opponent that the extreme right will set to get rid of Ryan. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/59 "2016-11-06T03:51:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Why would the difficult relationship between Trump and top Republicans improve once he took office? And you don’t think Trump is the kind of guy who would veto out of spite because Paul Ryan insulted him? If Trump takes office, I imagine he’ll leave “policy” to Pence while he’s busy “making America great again” (you know, making speeches, hosting rallies, glad handing (preferably held at Trump properties), maybe some private chamber of commerce stuff. Basically, the same thing as the campaign, only not so often, because I’m sure he’s exbausted). So when it comes time to sign bills, he’ll do what he always does and sign off on whatever his man in charge came up with. And if he has any doubts he’ll look over to his Chief of Staff, whoever that may be, and they’ll nod approvingly. I guess I have no faith in a political backbone. I think he’ll be so enamored with the trappings of power that he won’t care. He’s that shallow. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480/60 "2016-11-06T07:37:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s an issue of the math not working out. When they have to prioritize, Republicans always choose tax cuts and wuss out on spending cuts. But that’s an issue of courage and failure to do basic math, not deception. I disagree. This is third grade level math. Anybody who’s running for office has to know if you’re going to reduce the deficit you either have to cut spending or raise taxes. If you promise to reduce the deficit but you know you’re not willing to do either of those things, then that’s deception in my book. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assume-trump-wins-and-the-sky-doesnt-fall-what-are-the-results/770480.md?page=2)