# Assuming no metaphysical reality, and everything is just spacetime and matter, where do the moral concerns regarding suffering and pain come from?

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> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> Leave the poor universe out of our problems. It has middle-aged spread and a lot of gas. It has problems of its own.

This comment inspired me to make the thread [Is the universe old or young?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-universe-old-or-young/963334)

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