# Assuming Things Are Not The Way They Are Would You Believe That They Are The Way They Aren't **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 4, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205 "2011-04-04T22:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/1 "2011-04-04T22:46:44Z")
Well, would you? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/2 "2011-04-04T22:53:04Z")
Twice. ---
**Author:** ![\_mostly\_Harmless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/9d8465/32.png) [@\_mostly\_Harmless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_mostly_Harmless)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/3 "2011-04-04T22:58:39Z")
I already do assume the first part _and_ believe the second. What else ya got? ---
**Author:** ![CT\_Damsel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CT\_Damsel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CT_Damsel)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/4 "2011-04-04T22:59:34Z")
:nods head until loose: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/5 "2011-04-04T23:19:55Z")
You’ve finally convinced me that God exists! Or that He doesn’t, as appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/6 "2011-04-04T23:22:23Z")
Aw, I like Skald, why’d you have to pit him? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/7 "2011-04-04T23:45:49Z")
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++ Would Assume Again! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/8 "2011-04-04T23:47:01Z")
Do I have a choice? ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/9 "2011-04-04T23:56:59Z")
A crab is not a fish but neither is it a bowling ball. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/10 "2011-04-05T00:02:04Z")
This is about liberal economics theory, isn’t it?? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/11 "2011-04-05T00:02:57Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > Well, would you? I already have. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/12 "2011-04-05T00:10:59Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > Well, would you? You mean, if they suddenly discover that bleeding is not good for most illnesses? If they finally figure out that illnesses can be caused by little organisms invisible to the naked eye? That kind of thing? ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/13 "2011-04-05T00:28:56Z")
Yes. “Things are not the way they are” is a contradiction, and therefore implies everything, including that they are the way they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/14 "2011-04-05T01:11:26Z")
**Homer** : This isn’t about Jesus, is it? **Rev. Lovejoy** : Everything is about Jesus, Homer. Except this. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/15 "2011-04-05T01:16:45Z")
> [@j66](#): > > You mean, if they suddenly discover that bleeding is not good for most illnesses? > > If they finally figure out that illnesses can be caused by little organisms invisible to the naked eye? > > That kind of thing? But how about if you woke up and discovered that the scientific method was wrong, and that what we call up is really down, and \*they \*come in every night and switch everything in your house with something identical. What then smart guy? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/16 "2011-04-05T02:32:25Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > But how about if you woke up and discovered that the scientific method was wrong, and that what we call up is really down, and \*they \*come in every night and switch everything in your house with something identical. What then smart guy? I flip a coin and finally choose between booze and coke. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/17 "2011-04-05T02:40:22Z")
Can someone diagram the thread title for me? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/18 "2011-04-05T02:50:25Z")
I’ll try. > [@](#): > > here --------\> fuck you, man \<--------- there Did that help? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/19 "2011-04-05T03:02:19Z")
Let’s try this in MPSIMS instead. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205/20 "2011-04-05T03:30:24Z")
I would liquify my sense of irony. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/assuming-things-are-not-the-way-they-are-would-you-believe-that-they-are-the-way-they-arent/577205.md?page=2)