Works for me. Let’s do it!
Except they are not talking about hitting hamas, they are talking about levelling Gaza. A lot of people in gaza are presumably not members of the military branch of hamas.
And levelling a city of millions seems more like group punishment than trying to obtain a military objective.
I would take that. If you really think that killing 40,000 people will make the violence in a dispute that seems to be held together by vengeance.
I assume you mean the military branch of hamas, right? IIRC, a lot of hamas is infrastructure and humanitarian stuff.
You know we are in great debates, right?
So I probably shouldn’t wonder aloud how many hostages it would take to get a right of return and restitution in the same room as an Israeli.
It routed the Muslim brotherhood from Syria for several decades.
Didn’t they used to do that all the time? You would ransom a knight or a lord or some such. In fact they used to advertise their ransom value to ensure that people would try to capture them rather than kill them.
At this point I’m willing to go along with almost anything. How many of those 40,000 are civilians?
Virtually all.
You have heard of the Hama massacre haven’t you?
Rifaat Assad bragged about it and repeatedly complained that the Western media underreported the number of people he killed.
Most Israelis would probably just ask if you supported “the right of return” for Greeks, Turks, Muslim and Hindu South Asians, as well as ethnic Germans from the Sudetanland.
They’d also say that anyone who supports a “right of return” is not interested in peaceful coexistence by an independent Palestinian State and an independent Jewish
It would be hard to argue with them without drastically ignoring the history of the region.
While any deaths in this conflict are terrible, it’s probably better overall that he was killed rather than captured, simply because the latter would probably lead to more death and destruction.
I think Israel sometimes acts disproportionately, but I don’t think that’s been typical during this most recent conflict. But I do think the core thing to pull away from this conflict is it’s a strange one because neither side even really thinks they can “win” militarily but they’re fighting anyway. It’s the height of stupidity.
Pjen is I believe a supporter of abolition of national governments under the subjugation of a “world” government. I’m not sure why anyone thinks that a body dominated by dictatorships that hate Israel is a valid source of information about Israel’s conflicts with Palestine. It’s also odd we’re adopting the position that if the U.N. just uses the word “war crime” it means Israel must in fact be guilty of war crimes.
Nothing under the laws of war to which Israel has agreed (through treaties) criminalizes collateral damage.
I suspected this all along, the account that got out depicted a battle around one of the tunnels, a suicide bombing, and a tunnel collapse. When the smoke cleared they had a guy MIA and it appeared they jumped to the conclusion of “captured.” My first thought when I heard that was “he got killed in the explosion or tunnel collapse”, it didn’t sound likely that Hamas would have even been able to complete a capture in those circumstances. I am guessing they found his body in the collapsed tunnel?
How about you cast your aspersions elsewhere. Cite please for where I have ever supported abolition of national governments. Please do not erect imaginary windmills around me so you can tilt at them.
Israel is pretty damn close to the line of war crimes as are Hamas. Of course neither will be brought to book as Hamas is not a state and Israel is protected by the US Power and Veto.
The part of the UN doing the condemning is not controlled by the General Assembly, but by the Secretary General as part of the Security Council. Such statements are usually neutral and demand respect.
And when the leadership of Hamas hides underneath a hospital…