At or below invoice

It is also true of Ford for the time being. Manufacturing continues to lose money. But at least the plants are closing, and people are staying employed.

The 0% and rebate offers aren’t a result of a the dealer screwing you; as said above, it’s typically one or the other, and sometimes (rarely) both.

Dealers get a lot of incentives from the manufacturers, so the invoice price isn’t really all that meaningful. There’s floorspace assistance, gas, buy-back, all kinds of goodies.

The best strategy? Go work for Ford and get a fixed price on everything, including NO dealer prep and NO documents fees and NO stupid crap unless you fall for the $200 “paint protector” and so on.

Barring your ability or willingness to do that, take advantage of the dealer and pick out what you want. Then deal with the internet rep or fleet rep at ALL of the local dealers and get fixed price quotes, i.e., ask for bids.

I work for a big manufacturer, and I think if we could kick out every dealer and run the dealerships ourselves, we’d have a lot more customer satisfaction (which of course equals more profit). The dealerships DON’T represent the company interest EVER; only their own, short term interest. On the other hand, it could take the incentive aspect away from the salesmen, so you’re back to the communism/capitalism argument.

Has anyone ever bought a car on the internet? I was researching car prices at Edmunds or some such site and I got a pop-up asking if I would like to buy over the internet. I gave them my zip code and phone number and by the time I got home I had 4 calls from the dealers in my area, offering me the car at several thousand dollars below what I had been negotiating AT THEIR DEALERSHIP!! Turns out the internet salesman was upstairs in each dealership. I got a good deal (for a wimp negotiator) and there was very little hassle. Is this a bad idea??