I and others keep saying them that there are things “most atheist believe” and they keep taking that to mean that there are things “all atheists believe”. It goes to show that no matter your faith or lack of faith, we’re all just stupid animals. I hope there’s not a god so that there can be no salvation for any of us.
Yes.
No.
Well, I think it is stepping over the line a bit…but I love a laugh and I have no problem with it…except for the parts that are wrong about it.
One…I know (in the generally accepted meaning of that word) lots of things.
Two…I most assuredly do not think no one can know anything.
Three…I am here for debate and to listen to arguments…so to suggest that I do not want to be “told otherwise” is silly. But I want to see arguments that work.
I do not KNOW (in any sense of that word) what the Reality of existence is. I do not know how all this came into being…or if, in fact, it ever did come into being. I do not know if the world as I generally think it to be…is all an illusion…a function of what I call my mind…which may very well be the product of gods.
I do not know, therefore, if any gods exist…and I do not see enough unambiguous evidence to make a meaningful guess in either direction.
I do, as I am sure you do, see plenty of reason to guess that the god of the Bible, for instance, is almost certainly a fictional character (a barbarous, murderous, onerous, petty, tyrannical fictional character)…BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF GODS EXIST OR NOT…and I do not have enough unambiguous evidence to make a meaningful guess in either direction.
Why do you think that to be indicative of a “lost cause?”
And why do you have such obvious contempt for my reasoning here?
Same questions for you, Mr. Moderator!
What is a specific example of this “ambiguous evidence” you keep referring to?
Actually…the FDR is east of 42nd Street.
Forgot that the streets in midtown stop there!
The name is Czarcasm. When I post as a Moderator, you’ll know it.
Oh my, did I use “moderator.”
Of course it is Czarcasm.
So the same question to you…Czarcasm.
Haven’t we gone through this before???
“Ambiguous evidence” is just about all the evidence used by people who assert “there is a god” or “there are no gods” to demonstrate why they make their assertion.
Name some evidence used by those kinds of people…and if I think it is not ambiguous, I’ll tell you.
Otherwise, I think all of it is.
What question? I made a joke (which everyone else seemed to realize.)
Here’s how it works:
Since you made the claim, why don’t you present examples of ambiguous evidence from both sides of the fence, so that we may see if you have a valid claim, or if you are just blowin’ smoke up our collective asses.
Clear now?
It is so fundamental. You can provide evidence to prove something that exists ,does. You can not provide evidence to prove something does not exist , does not. If something does not exist, it leaves no tracks. Unless you can accept that there is zero evidence in god existing ,after 14.5 billion years, therefore god does not exist.
Cool. Now, I’m sure you saw this coming, and so I would be churlish to dissapoint you.
I’m quoting my own post, with alterations made in bold-specifically to change the argument in only one way.
If your answer is different, please justify. All I’ve done is scratched out “gravity” and replaced with “god.” As gonzomax accurately points out, in the last 14.5 billion years, there is not one, single, solitary piece of evidence that supports the existence of a god, or is somehow inconsistent with the laws of reality as we now understand them (which any deity-like entity would, more or less by definition, violate).
Quick question.
Do you live your life and interact with the world as though deities exist (and give a crap what you do)?
Put another way: Can you think of any changes you would make to the way you live your life/interact with the world if you observed what you found to be unambiguous evidence one way or the other?
It is clear that you want me to aswer your question the way you want me to answer it rather than the way I want to answer it.
Guess who is going to win that contest?
Waitaminute. The offering of evidence to try to support the existence of deities is a concept I can get my head around.
Offering evidence that deities don’t exist? That makes no sense at all. Could you give some examples of when you have seen somebody try to do this?
Well . . . typically it’s considered more polite to answer the question that you were asked, rather than the one you would have preferred to have been asked.
Contest? I wasn’t aware we were playing some sort of childish game-I was just trying to find out what ambiguous evidence you were talking about, but since you refuse to back up a central point of your argument with easily obtainable(if they ever existed, of course) examples, I’d say you have failed to make your point.
I live my life as though no gods or deities exist.
Let me see if this answers your question, Kaylasdad:
If there are gods out there who “give a crap” what I do…if there are gods out there who are offended by something I might do…or who are pleased with what I might do…or who have an “or else” if I do not suck up to them in some way or another…
…bring it on you fucking piece of shit because there is no way I give a rat’s ass what offends you or pleases you. Nor do I give a rat’s ass what you plan to do with me if I do offend you or if I do not kiss your ass.
Do you worst…because there is absolutely nothing that would cause me to feel anything but abiding contempt for a crud like you.
I hope that captured the spirit of your question…and was an adequate response.
By the way…if the god is something other than that–not into all that “do this or else bullshit”…I might wanna ask it if it were interested in having a few brewskis some time…and checking out the babes at the Frying Pan in New York City.
Sure…several people right here have been trying to sell the notion that absence of evidence that gods exist…is evidence that gods do not exist.
That is complete nonsense to me…but I guess I could squeeze it into the “ambiguous” category.