Let me just add that a man who killed all the gods doesn’t exist.
I’m a strong antitheist of the theological noncognitivist bent and I have no objections to being grouped with agnostics on a census form.
Well, you’re a bigger man than I.
I don’t see why the inclusion of an “atheist/agnostic” category would be a problem, any more than “not applicable”. It doesn’t automatically suggest (though some theists are more than willing, indeed eager, to do so) that atheism is a religion.
I do like to see those atheist numbers growing, I admit. It’s more satisfying than seeing an increase in “not applicable.”
I’m an agnostic who doesn’t give a shit because you can’t know.
Your point might have been a little more persuasive if we hadn’t just seen a bunch of other posters claiming to be both atheist and agnostic. Clearly, there is quite a bit of overlap between the two categories when it comes to how people actually self-identify, so it doesn’t seem unreasonable on a survey form with limited space to lump them together.
Personally, I think how such categories are organized on a questionnaire should depend only on what the questionnaire is trying to keep track of, rather than on anybody’s idea of the “proper” definition of, or distinction between, “atheist” and “agnostic”.
For example, if the question is about whether you’re affiliated with any particular religious organization or tradition, the choices should be [ReligionName1], [ReligionName2],…, [ReligionNameN], Other, and None. What the people in the “None” category actually believe about the existence of deity/ies is irrelevant to this question.
Three categories it is!
Perfect definition of a weak atheist.
I don’t think claims are important - only belief. I don’t claim that the unseeable god who never interacts with us doesn’t exist, because, as you say, that god is unknowable. I’m agnostic about that god also. But I believe it does not exist, since it seems silly - so I’m a strong atheist with respect to that god and all others. And I realize my belief might be incorrect.
But he should.
In fact, that’s going near the top of next year’s NaNoWriMo possible subject list.
I shot a god in Reno,
Just to watch him die.
I fall into the latter category, or as I like to call it ‘Ag-whogivesafucktastic’*.
Slee
*I have decided that all new words ought to have ‘fucktastic’ appended to them. It makes them more Groovifucktastic.
See, by weemart’s logic, the man who killed all the gods does exist, and must exist, because I said he doesn’t. I referred to his nonexistence, and so he exists. QED.
(And it’s Batman; after all, Batman’s a fictional character – which means he’s real.)
That’s it. With all the analysis of weewee logic, I’m changing my designation to Pastafarian. 
It reminded me of Lady Eboshi from Princess Mononoke:
And yes, she shots and kills the forest spirit! But it is implied in the end that the final “death” is just like nature dying at the end of the seasons and the god still lives and will eventually be reborn
Personally, I’ve long believed that most “agnostics” are either atheists who are trying to avoid the heavily-demonized “atheist” label, or religious people who are pretending to be agnostic as a rhetorical device in religious arguments. The latter is I feel the most plausible explanation for “agnostics” who argue exactly like Christians, take the exact same positions on religion as Christians, and only seem “agnostic” about the Christian God but are outright disbelievers in any other gods.
Agnosticism is at best sucking up to religion anyway; people aren’t “agnostic” about other implausible ideas. Just gods. I’m not an agnostic because I refuse to pretend that religion is anything other than blatant nonsense.
How do you know? Seen any gods recently? ![]()
Also, that would make him an “aatheistist”.
Eh, you’ll have to work hard to beat the Saint of Killers as deity-slayers go.
You guys are ridiculous. I was not raised with religion, have never felt any pressure to be religious, and do not spend much time around religious people. Religion has never been a part of my life, so I’m not sure why I’d suck up to them now.
I am ignostic/theological non-cognitivist. Basically, I think “Do you believe in god?” Is a stupid question, and I’m not going to bother with an answer about something so poorly defined.
So why don’t you super atheists try believing what you believe, and stop trying to claim that you know what I believe better than I do?
Paah, he’s only killed one (OK, Two if you count the Devil). Piker.
Sure they are.
Out of curiosity, why? Agnostics say that no one knows if a god of any kind exists. How do you get that we are believers of any kind from that?