# Atheist Bus Driver Trys to Convert Students **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864 "2018-04-21T15:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/201 "2018-04-24T17:18:28Z")
Since I have yet to receive a description of the “god” that needs to be disproved, I’ll provide my own: God is 7 inches tall and blue-green, with green eyes(5) and tentacles(217), can make milkshakes turn into plowshares, and resides only in my coffee cup. My coffee cup is empty. God Is Dead. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/202 "2018-04-24T17:44:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since I have yet to receive a description of the “god” that needs to be disproved, I’ll provide my own: God is 7 inches tall and blue-green, with green eyes(5) and tentacles(217), can make milkshakes turn into plowshares, and resides only in my coffee cup. > My coffee cup is empty. > God Is Dead. I dunno what you were drinking out of it but I don’t think it was _coffee_. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/203 "2018-04-24T17:49:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I dunno what you were drinking out of it but I don’t think it was _coffee_. The point is, you can’t disprove something if you aren’t told what that something is in the first place. Since all I get when I ask for a description of the god that is supposed to be disproved is either a runaround or(usually) complete silence, I thought I would come up with a description of a god and the proof that it doesn’t exist, just to show that it can be done. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/204 "2018-04-24T17:55:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since I have yet to receive a description of the “god” that needs to be disproved, I’ll provide my own: God is 7 inches tall and blue-green, with green eyes(5) and tentacles(217), can make milkshakes turn into plowshares, and resides only in my coffee cup. > My coffee cup is empty. > God Is Dead. \ Mine is still alive, and these fuckers reproduce like rabbits on viagra and letrozole. Did you need a spare? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/205 "2018-04-24T18:01:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > \ > > Mine is still alive, and these fuckers reproduce like rabbits on viagra and letrozole. > > Did you need a spare? No thank you. I can’t have milkshakes any more because my basement is filled with plowshares. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/206 "2018-04-24T18:23:07Z")
The people that believe in God are wrong. There are two Gods. It is the height of arrogance for people to assume there is only one God. Show me the proof of one god. You cant, can you. Neener. Neener. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/207 "2018-04-24T20:17:47Z")
Just speaking for myself, here, I always find referring to people one disagrees with as ‘fucking twats’ to be a compelling, airtight argument. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/208 "2018-04-24T20:26:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Just speaking for myself, here, I always find referring to people one disagrees with as ‘fucking twats’ to be a compelling, airtight argument. Just great-Now I’m envisioning Nancy Sinatra singing “These twats were made for fucking…” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/209 "2018-04-24T20:27:00Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I don’t agree. The “vast numbers” are simply a result of people trying to personify a Creator that they sense exists but cannot in any way envision. They therefore create their own vision based on their cultural beliefs. Therefore, one would expect there to be almost as many representations of “God” as there are cultures. It therefore neither proves or disproves anything. Well, no, that’s not at all what one might expect. If this “sense” reflects something that actually exists you would expect some kind of commonality. Instead, the concepts that different cultures have of the spiritual world differ diametrically and contradict one another. Some don’t imagine deities at all, but simply that the natural world has spirits of some kind associated with it. Some include a creator, in others the world exists before any god comes into being. Some envision a god of good will and peace, others like the Aztecs believe the gods require the wholesale murder of other humans to maintain the cosmos. Humans do seem to have a psychological need to seek supernatural explanations for natural phenomena, but this doesn’t provide any evidence that there is a single or even multiple beings of some kind behind it, any more than the fact that everyone dreams means that there is some kind of dream world that has a real existence. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/210 "2018-04-24T20:31:42Z")
> [@Batano](#): > > The people that believe in God are wrong. There are two Gods. It is the height of arrogance for people to assume there is only one God. Show me the proof of one god. You cant, can you. Neener. Neener. He said there are no other gods. God wouldn’t lie, would He? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/211 "2018-04-24T20:44:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Nope. It only works one way. It is not necessary to prove a negative. This. If I say “I am Iron Man”, you don’t have to prove me wrong. I have to prove that I am Iron Man. I have to put up, or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/212 "2018-04-24T20:46:09Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Right? > > Teach the Controversy. 😛 … and the God Of The Gaps - for the things we can explain (yet). So convenient. sort of “a wizard did it”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/213 "2018-04-24T20:54:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He said there are no other gods. God wouldn’t lie, would He? No, it is actually “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. So who knows? Maybe Osiris and Odin are out there somewhere and we just can’t offer any smelly burnt up offerings for them, or plunder any English coastal villages for them??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/214 "2018-04-24T20:55:29Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … and the God Of The Gaps - for the things we can explain (yet). So convenient. > > sort of “a wizard did it”. Meant to say … can NOT explain (yet). ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/215 "2018-04-24T21:16:50Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I don’t agree. The “vast numbers” are simply a result of people trying to personify a Creator that they sense exists but cannot in any way envision. They therefore create their own vision based on their cultural beliefs. Therefore, one would expect there to be almost as many representations of “God” as there are cultures. It therefore neither proves or disproves anything. Nonsense. Most of these gods have very different and often contradictory rules. (They all say no murder within the tribe, but that’s about the commonality.) Some forbid the making of idols. Some pretty much require it. Some are in pantheons. Some claim to be singular. What kind of feeble god can’t make its desires known? And those are just gods that humans have come up with. What about gods on other worlds? Maybe the real god is the god of a planet where the inhabitants got intelligent say five billion years after the Big Bang and who actually shows up instead of being hidden? Why is that hypothetical god less likely than ours? (Why did our god wait so long to let us be created? Did he have War and Peace to read or something?) Maybe our world is accidental, just the byproduct of a universe created for god’s real chosen. Maybe they have gone to their version of heaven/nirvana already? Maybe we better hope that god doesn’t decide to end the experiment. All as plausible as any human god, more so because it does not contradict known facts in any way. But no reason to believe in it until we get some evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/216 "2018-04-24T22:08:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just great-Now I’m envisioning Nancy Sinatra singing “These twats were made for fucking…” There’s a starfish in that video, isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/217 "2018-04-24T22:12:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He said there are no other gods. God wouldn’t lie, would He? Actually, he commanded the Israelites to “have no other god before me”. Historically, that was because the Temple was actually filled with the shrines and priests of a lot of different gods, including at one time Inanna-Ishtar, who was referred to but not named in the bible. So basically “Stop putting other gods in my temples”. But more commonly thought of as “Hey, I’m the top god here.” ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/218 "2018-04-25T10:12:06Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > (Why did our god wait so long to let us be created? Did he have War and Peace to read or something?) That’s the only bit that makes sense to me; if this universe was created, was it created by the sort of being who carefully planned it all out? Or was it one that got really distracted by messing around with rocks, slime stuff and giant lizards, then two days before the deadline went ‘Oh crap, I was going to make those sentient monkey things’? I mean, look at the damn appendix. That was a caffeine fuelled 3am botch job and no mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/219 "2018-04-25T13:24:02Z")
I don’t understand why the atheist position is so hard for people to understand. I don’t hate God, or reject God, or worship Satan, I just l live my life without the assumption that it/he/she exists. Think about dragons. It is certainly within possibility that dragons could exist. Maybe not flying ones, but large lizard-like creatures that breathe fire. Perhaps their metabolism could produce methane. But there is no evidence of them and most of us live our lives with the assumption that they don’t exist. We don’t even have to make up words like a-dragonist. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/220 "2018-04-25T16:57:08Z")
It’s the natural human tendency to fail to see the bigger picture and to keep insisting on fitting all new experiences and knowledge within our already established mental frameworks. Like when Portugal and Spain started moving in all over the world followed by the rest of the Europeans. Everywhere they went, the locals merely treated them as yet another local power and tried to ally with them and use them against their enemies. In the end, they were ALL conquered because of their shortsightedness. So too with religion. When you’re raised a conservative Christian, you’re actively taught to fit EVERYTHING into that context. Satan is behind every completing religion to lead men astray, which is a big folly of men in the bible. Atheists do not actually believe there is no god, they’re only saying that because they’re either deluded by Satan or because they’re actually angry at god and are intentionally denying him. Gods before “God”? Nope, God was around forever, men just keep forgetting him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=12)