# Atheist Bus Driver Trys to Convert Students **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864 "2018-04-21T15:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/41 "2018-04-22T06:19:18Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Now I’m trying to imagine a Nihilist bus driver preaching to the kids. > > Telling 5 and 6 year olds that nothing matters, their lives aren’t important and just like everything else, they’re all going to die someday; as you drive them home. > [@Walter Sobchak](#): > > Nihilists! …Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos. * * * ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/42 "2018-04-22T06:46:18Z")
> [@Batano](#): > > from artivle: “Nathaniel says he wants to turn people to Christianity,” That’s one of those things separating intention from action, then. I’d argue that, while his intention may be to convert people, his action was more to force them to participate. This is a rather stupid way to try and convert people. I guess the atheist hymn would also be a stupid way to try and convert people, so maybe it’s closer to the right analogy than I thought. Still, the OP, for his title to work, had to come up with something that might actually happen so we’d fall for the clickbait. And the dearth of atheist songs makes that unlikely. But we’ve all known that one atheist who thinks it’s his job to convert everyone else. Usually it’s a former theist of some sort who feels he’s seen the light. So I could believe that the bus driver was that guy. At least, I could believe it long enough to want to click on the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/43 "2018-04-22T15:17:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > … > Still, the OP, for his title to work, had to come up with something that might actually happen so we’d fall for the clickbait. … Then we wouldn’t get to call him **Batguano**. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/44 "2018-04-22T15:33:18Z")
Satanic lunch lady insists students say grace before letting them have their tray would have been funnier. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/45 "2018-04-22T15:49:24Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > There’s definitely a lack of rousing atheist hymns. How about [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZekJDrbvc)? (I think that’s my favorite performance of it, too.) ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/46 "2018-04-22T16:01:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Like, “logic”, and “reason”, and “science”, and “evidence”? Logic - like the logic that led to the entrenched belief in spontaneous genesis for a thousand or so years? Reason - The kind of reason that results in unbalanced humours as a disease model and rejection of germ theory? Or an elephant skull being proof of cyclops? Science - ever heard of eugenics? Thalidomyde? The opiod crisis? Yeah, science is infallible. How about the notion that sugar is harmless and it is saturated fat that is the problem? Evidence - What concrete, demonstrable evidence do you have against the existence of a God? I’m not asking for philosophical evidence but hard scientific evidence? What atheists don’t get is that they are just as fucked in the head as theists. Neither side can actually KNOW they are right they can only believe. And belief is nothing but faith. Each has their own irrefutable - to them - proof of their side’s righteousness but in the end both sides are shooting blanks. Proselytizing atheists are even more irritating than proselytizing God-botherers because of their unfounded fucking smugness. Remember freedom of religion means freedom from religion - even if your religion is atheism. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/47 "2018-04-22T16:04:12Z")
Bollocks. Faith is believing in something despite a lack of evidence. Atheism is pretty much the opposite of that; a lack of belief in something\* because\* of the lack of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/48 "2018-04-22T16:08:22Z")
Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/49 "2018-04-22T16:14:13Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. You can’t prove a non-existence of a non-corporeal entity. You make the claim God exists, it’s on you to provide the proof. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/50 "2018-04-22T16:18:56Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. I would explain it to you, but you wouldn’t understand “Hard, scientific proof” if it stuck its dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. Now, fuck off. Imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/51 "2018-04-22T16:21:17Z")
> [@Zeke N. Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. You seem upset. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/52 "2018-04-22T16:21:47Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. I will say the same thing to you as I’ve said to everyone else who made this asinine request: _Describe to the best of your ability the “god” you would like disproved._ How old is she/he? How big? Where can she/he be found? Where does she/he reside? What can your god do/not do? What has/has not your god already done? Tell me what it is I am supposed to disprove, and give descriptions that pertain specifically to your own deity. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/53 "2018-04-22T16:27:39Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You can’t prove a non-existence of a non-corporeal entity. You make the claim God exists, it’s on you to provide the proof. I don’t claim that God exists. I claim that we can’t know one way one another. And to say otherwise is bullshit. To say I don’t need to show you’re wrong you need to show you’re right is a cowardly evasion. You can’t prove the non-existence, they can’t prove the existence. You say the onus is on them they say it is on you. Know why? Because both of you are standing on brittle ice. Doesn’t science teach that until a question is definitively settled (demonstrably evidence based) the question must remain open? > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I would explain it to you, but you wouldn’t understand “Hard, scientific proof” if it stuck its dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. > > Now, fuck off. Imbecile. Hey slobber monkey, quicksilver is mercury. Mercury is toxic. Science insisted for how many hundred years that it was a cure for everything under the sun (how about a shot of mercury straight up you little prick you big prick. So pay to acquire some friends, get them together, see if you can scrape up a few functional brain cells (no matter how sluggish) between you and, in a day or so, come up with a meaningful sentence. Now fuck off. Imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/54 "2018-04-22T16:29:41Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - … I think I liked you better when you were suspended. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/55 "2018-04-22T16:31:08Z")
We’ve heard all this before. Stupid AND un-original is no way to go through life, Zeke. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/56 "2018-04-22T16:31:46Z")
I bet he thinks every lottery ticket has a 50% chance of being a winning ticket because it’s either a winning ticket or it isn’t. This is logic. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/57 "2018-04-22T16:36:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I will say the same thing to you as I’ve said to everyone else who made this asinine request: _Describe to the best of your ability the “god” you would like disproved._ > How old is she/he? > How big? > Where can she/he be found? > Where does she/he reside? > What can your god do/not do? > What has/has not your god already done? > > Tell me what it is I am supposed to disprove, and give descriptions that pertain specifically to your own deity. I don’t like you. I really never have. I have always thought that you seem a thoroughly unpleasant person. This does nothing to dissuade me from my initial assessment. I will say it again for the cheap seats and hearing impaired - I AM NOT SAYING THAT GOD EXISTS!!! I am saying that neither side has anything but philosophy and faith to back themselves up. I accept the possibility of a god, I accept the possibility of the non-existence of a god. I do not and can not know. Think of germ theory. Did germs not exist before science determined they did? Prior to their official discovery did germs simply bide their time until science could unleash them? No. They existed but science didn’t know about them and when it was pointed out that they did exist science said, “fuck that.” So who is to say that a hundred years from now (look at the advancements in the last hundred years) science won’t find proof one way or the other. When it does (conclusively) I’ll be happy to consider the matter settled. Until then I lack the arrogance to assume that we know all that can be known. Clearly you don’t lack that arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/58 "2018-04-22T16:41:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > We’ve heard all this before. Stupid AND un-original is no way to go through life, Zeke. And yet you insist upon doing so. Btw super cool and edgy handle chum. They should use that for a truly shitty superhero sometime. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/59 "2018-04-22T16:45:17Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > I don’t like you. I really never have. I have always thought that you seem a thoroughly unpleasant person. This does nothing to dissuade me from my initial assessment. > > I will say it again for the cheap seats and hearing impaired - I AM NOT SAYING THAT GOD EXISTS!!! > > I am saying that neither side has anything but philosophy and faith to back themselves up. I accept the possibility of a god, I accept the possibility of the non-existence of a god. I do not and can not know. > > **Think of germ theory. Did germs not exist before science determined they did?** Prior to their official discovery did germs simply bide their time until science could unleash them? No. They existed but science didn’t know about them and when it was pointed out that they did exist science said, “fuck that.” > > So who is to say that a hundred years from now (look at the advancements in the last hundred years) science won’t find proof one way or the other. When it does (conclusively) I’ll be happy to consider the matter settled. Until then I lack the arrogance to assume that we know all that can be known. > > Clearly you don’t lack that arrogance. And before they were discovered , the supernatual, demons or God’s wrath was blamed. Look what science did. Proved the real cause and proved God didn’t do it. Clearly, you don’t lack that arrogance, either. Nor do you lack idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/60 "2018-04-22T16:46:45Z")
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I could just as well demand that you disprove the Great Arkleseizure model of the Universe where the universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure and is awaiting the Coming of the Great White Hankerchief. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=4)