# Atheist Bus Driver Trys to Convert Students **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864 "2018-04-21T15:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/161 "2018-04-23T16:07:48Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > Budget was talking about belief. Now you are talking about odds. I forgive you for anything. Have your doubts. I have doubts too. This thread is not a valuable use of my time. Enjoy. Why should I not take probility (odds) into account when deciding to believe something or not? I have no particular reason to believe any statement but the more improbable it is the more evidence I need before committing. I am also ready to admit if I find that my beliefs do not correspond to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/162 "2018-04-23T18:12:43Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > So it’s a poor analogy. So what? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/163 "2018-04-23T19:05:22Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Wrong Paris, unless Troy is located down the Champ de Elysees. > We all know it is in New York. Not if you ask [Harry Dean Stanton.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas_(film)) > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I was actually speaking of a goddess that was worshiped long before there were Judaeo-Christian scriptures, and probably for a longer period of time(if you include both of Her names). Mary? What’s Her other, singular, name? I’ve got Aphrodite, Astarte, Athena, Cybele, Demeter, Hathor, Inanna, Ishtar and Isis, and that’s just in the Mid East and around the Mediterranean. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/164 "2018-04-23T19:08:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Not if you ask [Harry Dean Stanton.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas_(film)) > > Mary? What’s Her other, singular, name? I’ve got Aphrodite, Astarte, Athena, Cybele, Demeter, Hathor, Inanna, Ishtar and Isis, and that’s just in the Mid East and around the Mediterranean. Numbers 7 and 8. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/165 "2018-04-23T19:28:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, if by “God” you specifically mean the god described in the JudeoChristian scripture, then I don’t know since the formula had always been unclear to me. > > But let’s go full Pascal’s Wager and say the believers and the people who act like believers go to heaven and the nonbelievers go to hell. > > What’s your point? All you’ve done is double-down on the mythlogy. And you’re splitting 10s dude. Smart bet is to stand fast on that hand. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/166 "2018-04-23T19:30:56Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Bollocks back ya fuck. Provide proof of the non-existence of God. Hard, scientific proof. > > You can’t can you you fucking twat. Ya can’t because it can’t be done - no different than asking for proof of the existence of a god. Atheists have faith that there is no god. Theists have faith that there is. The difference is that theists have the integrity to call it faith. Prove it. No one has to prove the negative. You make a claim, you prove it. Prove the existence of a God or gods. Give some hard scientific evidence. There is faith and there is only that. No one can prove God exists, and no one can prove he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/167 "2018-04-23T19:33:37Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I think I liked you better when you were suspended. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/168 "2018-04-23T19:36:20Z")
“Theists have the integrity to call it faith” Bullshit. Googled “Evidence for God” and got over 12 million hits. Edited to add: “Proof that God exists”-over 200,000 hits. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/169 "2018-04-23T20:33:42Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Not if you ask [Harry Dean Stanton.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas_(film)) There was a Champ de Elysees in Texas, but they ruined it with oil wells. We should make a movie where Paris of Troy meets Paris Hilton in Paris Texas. We could call it the Ill-smelling-ad. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/170 "2018-04-23T20:36:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Theists have the integrity to call it faith” > Bullshit. Googled “Evidence for God” and got over 12 million hits. > Edited to add: “Proof that God exists”-over 200,000 hits. They call it faith when asked for evidence for God’s existence. They act like it is proven true when they want to interfere with your sex life or deny a woman the right to her own body. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/171 "2018-04-23T21:28:11Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > And you’re splitting 10s dude. Smart bet is to stand fast on that hand. Yeah, that’s not really responsive, so I’ll be more specific: what do you think “heaven” and “hell” are actually like, and based on what evidence? If you cannot supply any such evidence, why should I believe in their existence _on top of another unproven premise_ - the existence of the god who presumably would send me to one or the other? Isn’t this just multiplying the assumptions? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/172 "2018-04-23T21:44:34Z")
I’m commenting on how you step on the assumptions of others by asserting contrary assumptions. It’s a 2 way street that goes no where. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/173 "2018-04-23T22:01:41Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m commenting on how you step on the assumptions of others by asserting contrary assumptions. It’s a 2 way street that goes no where. What assumptions do you think I am asserting? You brought up heaven and hell, I’m asking you to describe what you think those are like and why, including why you believe they exist. As an afterthought, I realize I am indeed assuming that you assume they exist, else why would you mention them in the first place? If you do not actually believe heaven and hell exist, why are you wasting time and effort asking who will go where? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/174 "2018-04-23T22:13:54Z")
Why would anyone bother explaining, even if they believed, that something exists yet can’t be proven. But then, neither side to the argument can be proven. We used to call that a Mexican standoff. Personally, if anyone offers me an option to the inevitable dirt nap, I’m interested in hearing it. You’re just causing them to keep it inside with your comments like “mythology.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/175 "2018-04-23T22:25:56Z")
“Neither side can be proven” - That’s crap; if God existed as described in the Old or New Testaments, its existence _could_ be proven because it interacted with humans all the time and engaged regularly in the suspensions of natural order we call “miracles”. If the assumption is that God exists but _not_ as described in scripture, where _is_ it described? And if it’s not described anywhere, what use is it as a concept and what would be the point in believing in it? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/176 "2018-04-23T23:06:15Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “Neither side can be proven” - That’s crap; if God existed as described in the Old or New Testaments, its existence _could_ be proven because it interacted with humans all the time and engaged regularly in the suspensions of natural order we call “miracles”. > > … That would be true if God wrote the book. But then, the various books of the Bible would be called God 1, God 2, etc. Not Genesis, Isiah, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/177 "2018-04-23T23:17:36Z")
Obviously God didn’t write the books, nor is there anything in my observation suggesting God did. Do you have a point or is your stalling going to continue? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/178 "2018-04-23T23:36:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Obviously God didn’t write the books, nor is there anything in my observation suggesting God did. Do you have a point or is your stalling going to continue? My point is you are clearly in a Mexican standoff here. You want to win a discussion by asking someone to prove a fact that can’t be proven. You’re failing to see that your position is equally unprovable in their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/179 "2018-04-23T23:42:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > My point is you are clearly in a Mexican standoff here. You want to win a discussion by asking someone to prove a fact that can’t be proven. Which means it is not a fact, and can never be a fact. Why bother with it? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864/180 "2018-04-23T23:44:41Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > My point is you are clearly in a Mexican standoff here. You want to win a discussion by asking someone to prove a fact that can’t be proven. You’re failing to see that your position is equally unprovable in their eyes. Their lack of understanding of reason and logic does not in any way invalidate my argument. They are wrong, regardless of whether or not they understand why they are wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-bus-driver-trys-to-convert-students/812864.md?page=10)