# Atlantis found....... yet again? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 14, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775 "2004-11-14T22:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/21 "2004-11-15T06:32:03Z")
**Atlantis, Rise!** [http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/ears/soundz/10HOLE\_HYMNS/X0005\_atlantis.rise.html](http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/ears/soundz/10HOLE_HYMNS/X0005_atlantis.rise.html) ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/22 "2004-11-15T13:50:58Z")
> [@cj finn](#): > > What I really want to know is how does a city sink 1500 meters? If it can be shown that this actually happens, then I might even believe the guy. (I still don’t think I’d be donating to his cause mind you). > > cj They all flushed their toilets at exactly the same time. Don’t believe me? Just you wait. One of these super bowl halftimes we’re gonna lose New York. As for the atlantis claim, it’s worth a giggle, giggle and a half tops. If it’s true, it might bring an end to some of the nuttier speculation about the miraculous atlantean culture though. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/23 "2004-11-15T14:10:32Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Particulary the bit about “Just where plato said it would be” hehe. Me too; sounds very much like “just like Nostradamus predicted!”. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/24 "2004-11-15T15:20:26Z")
The guy’s [website](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/) has [pictures of some of the scans](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/NewAtlantisLocationPictures/index.html), plus [an animation of them](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/new_map_small.gif). To my untrained eye, it all looks pretty unremarkable… ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/25 "2004-11-15T15:37:04Z")
> [@APB](#): > > The guy’s [website](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/) has [pictures of some of the scans](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/NewAtlantisLocationPictures/index.html), plus [an animation of them](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/new_map_small.gif). To my untrained eye, it all looks pretty unremarkable… Hell to my somewhat trained eye it doesn’t look like anything. Looks just like something I could find in the west of the US. Almost looks like what we called a hogback. Besides we all know Indiana Jones found Atlantis, I have the comics to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/26 "2004-11-15T16:22:14Z")
> [@APB](#): > > The guy’s website has pictures of some of the scans, plus an animation of them. To my untrained eye, it all looks pretty unremarkable… Could be anything…ship wreck, natural rock formations, other junk…or even ruins I suppose. They won’t know until they actually physically go and take a look, or at least send an RoV down there… Thats the fun part. I’m a network engineer with a hobbie, as DtC puts it. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/27 "2004-11-15T18:24:08Z")
Those images look a lot like the ones taken on Mars from the orbiter. If this guy is right about Atlantis, so is Richard Hoagland about the pyramid cities on Mars. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/28 "2004-11-15T19:27:50Z")
I’m not at all commenting on this “finder’s” claims. I just want to point out that Plato didn’t say Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean. He said it was “beyond the pillars of Hercules” which is generally interpreted to mean the two sides of the Strait of Gibraltar, thus leading to a conclusion that it is out in the Atlantic. But while it is true that Gibraltar was referred to as such, there were other places that the Greeks referred to by that name as well. In fact, that’s one of the more compelling points of the “Minoan Crete” theory, that there is a “Pillars of Hercules” which points in that direction. The same might be true of this new guy’s site. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/29 "2004-11-15T19:29:04Z")
The final proof of just how advanced Atlantean technology was is this. In June this year, Atlantis was sited just off [Southern Spain](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm). A mere six months later, the entire civilisation has moved to the other end of the Mediterranean. We can only wonder at the marvels of these ancient peoples. ---
**Author:** ![Aagramn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Aagramn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aagramn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/30 "2004-11-15T19:55:10Z")
Given that it seems to pop up everywhere, I think Atlantis must have been the Starbucks of the ancient world. Definitely a franchise operation. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/31 "2004-11-15T20:02:38Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > I’m not at all commenting on this “finder’s” claims. I just want to point out that Plato didn’t say Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean. He said it was “beyond the pillars of Hercules” which is generally interpreted to mean the two sides of the Strait of Gibraltar, thus leading to a conclusion that it is out in the Atlantic. But while it is true that Gibraltar was referred to as such, there were other places that the Greeks referred to by that name as well. In fact, that’s one of the more compelling points of the “Minoan Crete” theory, that there is a “Pillars of Hercules” which points in that direction. The same might be true of this new guy’s site. I lean towards the Minoan theory myself. It makes the most sense, IMO. It’s also _boring_ which is why people don’t seem satisfied by it. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/32 "2004-11-15T20:35:36Z")
> [@APB](#): > > The guy’s [website](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/) has [pictures of some of the scans](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/NewAtlantisLocationPictures/index.html), plus [an animation of them](http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/new_map_small.gif). To my untrained eye, it all looks pretty unremarkable… It’s interesting, but in no way indictive of a lost city or civilization. If that’s the best he’s got, I am unimpressed. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/33 "2004-11-16T00:07:49Z")
[Bob Carroll’s take on Atlantis](http://skepdic.com/atlantis.html) ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/34 "2004-11-16T00:38:50Z")
> [@](#): > > The myth of Atlantis has been around for ages and it is generally believed that, if it ever existed, it was somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean – hence its name. I had never made that connection before. Boy do I feel dumb. :o ---
**Author:** ![cj\_finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@cj\_finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cj_finn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/35 "2004-11-16T01:51:21Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > They all flushed their toilets at exactly the same time. Don’t believe me? Just you wait. One of these super bowl halftimes we’re gonna lose New York. > > As for the atlantis claim, it’s worth a giggle, giggle and a half tops. If it’s true, it might bring an end to some of the nuttier speculation about the miraculous atlantean culture though. Very funny. So on this basis, we can postulate the theory that Atlantis actually did float and that during a break in the bear baiting action, they all flushed their respective amphitheater pit toilets at the same time, thereby unbalancing their precarious floating isle, which then rapidly shipped water and sank sliding bow first into the muck of the stygian depths approximately 1500 meters below the surface of the otherwise lovely Mediteranean waves. That or they were struck down for using too many run-on sentences. cj ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/36 "2004-11-16T03:51:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > BS. If for no other reason than all the _other_ “Atlantis found” news stories and threads I’ve read. Yeah, like the one found just last June, [in Spain, no less:](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm) > [@](#): > > The identification of the site with Atlantis was first proposed by Werner Wickboldt, a lecturer and Atlantis enthusiast who spotted the rectangles and concentric rings by studying photographs from across the Mediterranean for signs of the city described by Plato. > > The sizes of the “island” and its rings in the satellite image are slightly larger than those described by Plato. There are two possible explanations for this, says Dr Kuehne. Maybe three – apparently just anyone can call themseves a “scientist” nowadays. But wait! The Russians already found it in 1997, off [Cornwall, England:](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/43172.stm) > [@](#): > > Now a team from Russia says it has identified it - 100 miles off Land’s End, off the south-west coast of England. Blimey, Guv’nor! Why stop there? This nut thinks [it is in Bolivia,](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/43172.stm) I kid you not: > [@](#): > > British explorer Colonel John Blashford-Snell, believes there is enough evidence in [Plato’s] Republic to justify a search for Atlantis in Bolivia. His team leaves in March. Maybe, on their way to Bolivia, they’ll pass by [the team near Gibraltar:](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3227295.stm) > [@](#): > > A team of experts believes it could be close to unravelling the millennia-old myth of the Lost City of Atlantis and is launching an expedition to the seas west of Gibraltar to test its theory…They believe that using a combination of literary pointers and geological evidence they have pinned the lost city’s location to just west of the Straits of Gibraltar, on a submerged mud shoal now known as Spartel Island. Has anyone proposed Mars? That may be the only site left! ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/37 "2004-11-16T04:22:57Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Has anyone proposed Mars? That may be the only site left! Personally, I think Atlantis is Ohio, because Atlantis doesn’t exist and niether does Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/38 "2004-11-16T06:07:43Z")
I have a question guys. I remember in a history class from highschool my teacher explaining how it was once believed that the straight of Gibraltar was closed and the Med was dry. Could that be a possible explanation? There was also the belief that this may have occured in the Black Sea too. Could this explain why it was 50 miles deep? I have no clue about this point of information at all But this guy reminds me of a particular type that doesn’t listen to criticism because he believes his idea is so amazing and revolutionary that his findings will somehow prevail The whole dot-com era entrepreneurs seemed to have this too. [Pets.com](http://Pets.com)? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/39 "2004-11-16T06:55:03Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > I have a question guys. > > I remember in a history class from highschool my teacher explaining how it was once believed that the straight of Gibraltar was closed and the Med was dry. Could that be a possible explanation? There was also the belief that this may have occured in the Black Sea too. > > Could this explain why it was 50 miles deep? I’ve heard that too, but apparently the med was dry(er) perhaps 10,000 BC, long before a civlization such as Atlantis could have expected to have existed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775/40 "2004-11-16T06:56:02Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Personally, I think Atlantis is Ohio, because Atlantis doesn’t exist and niether does Ohio. Man, will John Kerry be relieved when he gets that news! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atlantis-found-yet-again/274775.md?page=3)