# Atomic Bombings of Japan **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 24, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803 "2009-11-24T17:52:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/201 "2009-11-27T18:48:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You are kidding aren’t you? Yes, gonzo, every single one of us has been pulling your leg and making up the most outrageous lies because we love melting Asians in radioactive flames with the cruel glee of a kid standing over an anthill with a magnifying glass. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/202 "2009-11-27T19:35:33Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You are kidding aren’t you? Women and children mobilized at the last desperate minute ,would provide resistance to an army. They would run in terror and rightly so. I do understand that people want to believe we were justified in dropping the bombs. Hell you are able to convince yourself we needed to drop 2 of them. I do understand the need . We have to pretend we are not aggressive and and a warring society. It makes us feel better. Pick up your eyes. How very gracious of you to pity us, that we fail to agree with you when you’re repeatedly, demonstrably wrong about almost everything you’ve asserted here. The civilians on Okinawa and Iwo Jima _didn’t_ flee in terror. They died in large numbers, either as active participants in the battle, as suicides, or both. Let’s be blunt about the decision to drop the atomic bombs: at root, it was the decision to kill 200,000 to avoid killing many more than that. The rest is handwaving. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/203 "2009-11-27T19:45:13Z")
[http://www.zimbio.com/Hiroshima/articles/18/The+atomic+bombing+of+Japan](http://www.zimbio.com/Hiroshima/articles/18/The+atomic+bombing+of+Japan) Here is a nice article articulating the same things I am saying. The Director of Strategic Planning for the Japanese, Sumihisa ikeda ,told the Emperor that the invincible Japanese army was nothing but a hollow shell. I understand you will reject this too. You can not face who we have become. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/204 "2009-11-27T19:45:33Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You are kidding aren’t you? Women and children mobilized at the last desperate minute ,would provide resistance to an army. They would run in terror and rightly so. I do understand that people want to believe we were justified in dropping the bombs. Hell you are able to convince yourself we needed to drop 2 of them. I do understand the need . We have to pretend we are not aggressive and and a warring society. It makes us feel better. Pick up your eyes. You realise that the Germans used members of the Hitler Youth in the defence of Berlin, right? And that they fought against the Russians without fleeing in terror? It comes down to this, **gonzomaz** - the bombs were horrific, an incredibly violent end to an incredibly violent struggle. But what else could we have done? As far as I can see, and from all that has been cited, the only way to ensure the war ended as quickly as possible (ensuring no more civilian or military deaths) was to drop the bombs. The Japanese were not on the ‘brink of surrender’, no matter how often you assert this claim as fact. Let’s start with the Soviet issue. You claim that this is evidence that the Japanese were ready to surrender. Two things. Firstly, the Soviets had nothing to gain and everything to lose by consenting to Japanese requests for negotiations. Unconditional surrender had been agreed upon by the Big Three at Yalta. The Soviets didn’t pay a blind bit of attention to Japanese overtures for peace, or friendship: > [@](#): > > To this end, Stalin and Molotov strung out the negotiations with the Japanese, giving them false hope of a Soviet-mediated peace.[50] At the same time, in their dealings with the United States and Britain, the Soviets insisted on strict adherence to the Cairo Declaration, re-affirmed at the Yalta Conference, that the Allies would not accept separate or conditional peace with Japan. The Japanese would have to surrender unconditionally to all the Allies. To prolong the war, the Soviets opposed any attempt to weaken this requirement.[50] This would give the Soviets time to transfer their troops to the Pacific theatre, and conquer Sakhalin, the Kuriles, and possibly Hokkaido[51] (starting with a landing at Rumoi, Hokkaidō).[52] > **[Surrender of Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Attempts_to_deal_with_the_Soviet_Union)** > > The surrender of the Empire of Japan in World War II was announced by Emperor Hirohito on 15 August and formally signed on 2 September 1945, ending the war. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) was incapable of conducting major operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. Together with the United Kingdom and China, the United States called for the unconditional surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945—the alternative being "prompt and utter... Secondly, this ‘negotiation’ was on terms completely unacceptable to the Allies. The Japanese didn’t want a negotiated surrender, they wanted peace. With the ghastly structures of state left intact. Witness this exchange: > [@](#): > > On July 17, Tōgō responded, > > ``` > Although the directing powers, and the government as well, are convinced that our war strength still can deliver considerable blows to the enemy, we are unable to feel absolutely secure peace of mind ... Please bear particularly in mind, however, that we are not seeking the Russians' mediation for anything like an unconditional surrender.[42] > > ``` > > In reply, Satō clarified, > > ``` > It goes without saying that in my earlier message calling for unconditional surrender or closely equivalent terms, I made an exception of the question of preserving [the Imperial House].[43] > > ``` > > On July 21, speaking in the name of the cabinet, Tōgō repeated, > > ``` > With regard to unconditional surrender we are unable to consent to it under any circumstances whatever. ... It is in order to avoid such a state of affairs that we are seeking a peace, ... through the good offices of Russia. ... it would also be disadvantageous and impossible, from the standpoint of foreign and domestic considerations, to make an immediate declaration of specific terms.[44] > > ``` > **[Surrender of Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Attempts_to_deal_with_the_Soviet_Union)** > > The surrender of the Empire of Japan in World War II was announced by Emperor Hirohito on 15 August and formally signed on 2 September 1945, ending the war. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) was incapable of conducting major operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. Together with the United Kingdom and China, the United States called for the unconditional surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945—the alternative being "prompt and utter... We had to insist on unconditional surrender, we could not allow the evil regime of Imperial Japan to remain in power - it was unthinkable. > [@](#): > > ``` > * "We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction." > > ``` From the Potsdam declaration. It is not as if the evil Allies wished for a nice sucker-punch to Japan. They were left with no choice, and even informed the Japanese of it. Truman drews a direct comparison after Hiroshima: > [@](#): > > “It was to spare the Japanese people from utter destruction that the ultimatum of July 26 was issued at Potsdam. Their leaders promptly rejected that ultimatum. If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth” > **[American Experience | PBS](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/)** > > Watch full films from TV's most-watched history series. Even after Nagasaki the ‘Big Six’ were undecided on the issue of surrender; > [@](#): > > The full cabinet met on 14:30 on August 9, and spent most of the day debating surrender. As the Big Six had done, the cabinet split, with neither Tōgō’s position nor Anami’s attracting a majority.[76] > **[Surrender of Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Imperial_intervention.2C_Allied_response.2C_and_Japanese_reply)** > > The surrender of the Empire of Japan in World War II was announced by Emperor Hirohito on 15 August and formally signed on 2 September 1945, ending the war. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) was incapable of conducting major operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. Together with the United Kingdom and China, the United States called for the unconditional surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945—the alternative being "prompt and utter... All the evidence points against your claim that they were ready to surrender. All the evidence points against your claim that the invasion of a beaten down-Japan would be a ‘mop-up’ operation. What else could we do, but drop the bombs? @ **cckerberos** ; the Bushido mindset lead to scenes like [this (the Yamato exploding](http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h62000/h62582.jpg), [this (the aftermath of a Banzai charge](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/AttuBanzai.jpg), [this (the USS Bunker Hill under Kamikaze attack)](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/USS_Bunker_Hill_hit_by_two_Kamikazes.jpg)? Don’t underestimate what this mentality meant to the Japanese military - many of the suicide orders and coercion were no doubt involuntary, but there’s no reason to suspect that Okinawa wouldn’t repeat itself. The Japanese military still had a large presence in Kyushu and could quite easily order/force civilians to kill themselves as they did on Okinawa. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/205 "2009-11-27T20:01:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Zimbio - Entertainment News, Celebrity News, Celebrity Photos & Videos](http://www.zimbio.com/Hiroshima/articles/18/The+atomic+bombing+of+Japan) Here is a nice article articulating the same things I am saying. And in the same way, too: By asserting some things, and appearing to back them up with cites that are, from the article at least, non-existent. > [@gonzomax](#): > > The Director of Strategic Planning for the Japanese, Sumihisa ikeda ,told the Emperor that the invincible Japanese army was nothing but a hollow shell. Ah. And the Emperor listened and agreed, did he? The Emperor then, realizing their position of weakness, ordered their unconditional surrender, did he? > [@gonzomax](#): > > I understand you will reject this too. You can not face who we have become. It must be hard to be you, Gonzomax, bravely facing the truth about ourselves while the rest of us refuse to remove our blinders. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/206 "2009-11-27T20:21:50Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You are kidding aren’t you? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Women and children mobilized at the last desperate minute ,would provide resistance to an army. They would run in terror and rightly so. No gonzomax, very few would run, most would _die_ even if by their own hand. A handful would take an allied soldier with them. Most of their deaths would probably be horrific, even in compared to radiation burns: starvation, napalm, disease. > [@](#): > > I do understand that people want to believe we were justified in dropping the bombs. It not a matter of belief. It is a mater of knowing. The Japanese had presented themselves to us as being racially insane. You can sit there in your comfortable Monday morning quarterback chair and tell us, in face of all the historical evidence to the contrary and tell us how much better it is to firebomb, shoot, or starve millions of Japanese as well as hundreds of thousands of allies instead of killing tens of thousands with A-bombs. > [@](#): > > Hell you are able to convince yourself we needed to drop 2 of them. It wasn’t me who needed convincing, but the people fighting the war. I can’t argue with their success, given that it worked. Again you sit in your comfy chair and tell people who sweat and died fighting a terrible regime that you know better and that using a weapon means they are too ‘warlike’ in your eyes. > [@](#): > > I do understand the need . We have to pretend we are not aggressive and and a warring society. It makes us feel better. Pick up your eyes. If we were such an aggressive and warring society, maybe you can explain where we started World War 2? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/207 "2009-11-27T20:59:00Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The Director of Strategic Planning for the Japanese, Sumihisa ikeda ,told the Emperor that the invincible Japanese army was nothing but a hollow shell. Was he kind enough to cc Harry Truman? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/208 "2009-11-27T23:08:56Z")
**gonzomax** – suppose we were planning to use the bomb on Nazi Germany, if Hitler had refused to surrender unconditionally. How would you feel then? (That’s the one major thing I do regret about the dropping of the bombs…that Hitler had already offed himself. Imagine him shitting himself, imaging what could have happened to HIM.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/209 "2009-11-27T23:36:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (That’s the one major thing I do regret about the dropping of the bombs…that Hitler had already offed himself. Imagine him shitting himself, imaging what could have happened to HIM.) I suspect what the Russians would have likely subjected him to was not far from his mind, and it wasn’t gonna be nearly as nice as an instant vaporization. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/210 "2009-11-28T00:10:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I suspect what the Russians would have likely subjected him to was not far from his mind, and it wasn’t gonna be nearly as nice as an instant vaporization. According to my grandfather, he was also thinking of [Mussolini’s fate](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini#Mussolini.27s_body). ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/211 "2009-11-28T01:28:39Z")
This particular subject is one that really upsets me if I dwell on it, so I haven’t read your comments. It’s not because I think there are easy answers or that the truth can’t be outside of what I believe. I acknowledge that the bombings _may_ have saved lives. I’m not sure we’ll ever know. I don’t think the number of lives saved actually matters once we are considering an act that kills 200,000 civilians. When we write about lost children and babies – about burned young girls and their lovers – and mothers rotting from radiation sickness – when we talk about vaporizing old men and their life stories – there is no counterweight to balance the other side that will ever make those choices bearable. I had rather see the throats of angels slit and their broken wings scattered on the pathway to some nasty god. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/212 "2009-11-28T01:47:01Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > :rolleyes: > > No gonzomax, very few would run, most would _die_ even if by their own hand. A handful would take an allied soldier with them. Most of their deaths would probably be horrific, even in compared to radiation burns: starvation, napalm, disease. > > It not a matter of belief. It is a mater of knowing. The Japanese had presented themselves to us as being racially insane. You can sit there in your comfortable Monday morning quarterback chair and tell us, in face of all the historical evidence to the contrary and tell us how much better it is to firebomb, shoot, or starve millions of Japanese as well as hundreds of thousands of allies instead of killing tens of thousands with A-bombs. > > It wasn’t me who needed convincing, but the people fighting the war. I can’t argue with their success, given that it worked. Again you sit in your comfy chair and tell people who sweat and died fighting a terrible regime that you know better and that using a weapon means they are too ‘warlike’ in your eyes. > > If we were such an aggressive and warring society, maybe you can explain where we started World War 2? please tell me when since WW2 that we have not been in someone else’s national sovereignty or involved in a war/ that is what we do. it makes some people rich and powerful. [Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations) You have to know who you are before you can change. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/213 "2009-11-28T01:49:08Z")
It’s an emotive subject, because the dropping of one device killed so many people. In practical terms it’s no different to the conventional bombing runs - the firebombing on Tokyo killed 100,000 civilians on March 10th. We had to end the war as soon as possible. We had to break the enemy will to fight by any means necessary - we would have been negligent if we had not dropped the bombs, for more civilians would have died otherwise. They showed no signs of agreeing to unconditional surrender, the Soviets had just gotten involved, the only certain way to bring defeat was the same thing we did to Germany - a conventional invasion. There were no easy alternatives, that is the reality of a total war and the nationalist mindset. Another tu quoque, **gonzomax**? Imperial Japan had to be stopped and destroyed utterly by any means necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/214 "2009-11-28T01:51:12Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > please tell me when since WW2 I thought this discussion was _about_ WW2. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/215 "2009-11-28T01:53:00Z")
[http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html](http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html) Another site, more aggression. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/216 "2009-11-28T01:57:42Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html](http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html) Another site, more aggression. All of which is irrelevant. Acts of aggression by the United States cannot compare with Imperial Japan. Their war aims set out their policy of aggressive domination of East Asia. The Potsdam declaration set out our policy of liberation for the the oppressed and security for our own people at all costs. To say that these aims are morally equivalent is just…asinine, I don’t know what else to call it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/217 "2009-11-28T01:57:48Z")
The problem is you accept the military analysis. I do not because our military lies to us over and over. The explanation they proffer for the bomb is as much BS as anything else they feed us. I question the first bomb. The Nagasaki bomb was inexcusable. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/218 "2009-11-28T01:58:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html](http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html) Another site, more aggression. Heh, the World War 2 entry says “Hawaii Bombed” but neglects to mention by whom. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/219 "2009-11-28T01:59:18Z")
To everyone on both sides (or undecided) I recommend a good long look at this site: > **[The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources](https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/index.htm)** > > US and Japanese documents shed light on first use of atomic weapons, Japanese decisions, and end of World War II It contains a lot of formerly classified documents that lay out the dynamics of the discussion of the development and use of the bomb. Even the summaries discuss the political, military and moral issues in great detail, and provide a comprehensive timeline of what was going on behind closed doors in the U.S., Japan and Soviet Union. This may not change anyone’s mind, but it’s a must-read. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803/220 "2009-11-28T01:59:35Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > All of which is irrelevant. Acts of aggression by the United States cannot compare with Imperial Japan. Their war aims set out their policy of aggressive domination of East Asia. The Potsdam declaration set out our policy of liberation for the the oppressed and security for our own people at all costs. To say that these aims are morally equivalent is just…asinine, I don’t know what else to call it. I am not arguing that Japan was at fault for the war. So debate yourself to your hearts content. But it is how we finished it that I think was wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atomic-bombings-of-japan/518803.md?page=12)