# Attack of the Clones- did anyone else find this disturbing? (spolerish) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124 "2003-10-07T18:35:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/41 "2003-10-08T19:38:03Z")
I think that Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus “borrowed” the late Jedi Master Sifo Dyas’ name either just prior to or shortly after his demise in order to give credibility to the claim to the Kaminos (who actually seemed to be nice people ) that he was ordering up the clone army for the Republic. When talking to Jenga Fett, there was no real need to style himself a representative of the Good Guys, since Fett himself was a nasty sort of character and was just in it for the cash. I’m thinking of two possibilities on ways the Clone Wars could turn. First of all, though clones are, um, bred to be docile, the original for this particular army was Jenga Fett, bounty hunter, assassin and all around not very nice guy. They probably have a lot of his basic personality traits. Also, it was a Jedi who killed their “father”. I think that it is possible that D. Sidious, or one of his agents, could persuade this clone army that they’re taking orders from the wrong guys, possibly offer them a better deal, and turn them against the Jedi and the Republic. Alternately, as the de facto head of the Republic, Palpatine/Sidious could legitimately claim control of the army and use the clones to solidify his postion as dictator (which would be the logical next step after getting “emergency powers”) and then declare himself Emperor. Another scenario might be that, since cloning seems to be commonplace enough as to not raise eyebrows, perhaps another planetary corporate body, which may not be as careful about selecting their customers as the Kaminos, might have an army of clones baking that Dooku/Tyrannus, or some other “opposition” leader, could use to further the war (assuming that the battle droid factory on (insert name of planet I can’t remember) is not left operational for too much longer, or that clones prove so superior to battle droids that the use of droids falls by the wayside. Then you’ve got clones fighting on both sides. What a mess that would be… Third scenario- clones are not as docile as we thought. Remember, the Kamino PM said they can think creatively. With the smarts, they might, if left to their own devices for too long, get the idea that they’ve been used to further the ambitions and aims of others, with no real benefit to themselves and start digging in their heels, eventually turning against their masters. Also, I hold with the idea that cloning isn’t illegal, and if it is, Kamino is outside the jurisdiction of the Republic, and a legal loophole might allow for the importation of the clones once they’re already cooked. It seemed the Kaminos weren’t really keeping their operation a big secret. They were quite ready to assume that a Jedi dropping by unannounced was simply checking on the progress of an army ordered by a “Jedi Master” years before. They didn’t seem bothered by the fact that Obi-Wan obviously didn’t know a lot about who ordered the manufacture of the army, or why. They simply answered his questions and showed him the goods. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/42 "2003-10-08T19:51:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > Just out of curiosity, if one’s ability to use the force is correlated highly with the midichlorine count in one’s blood, how will the off-the-scale reading of Anakin be affected when he gets mangled in the next movie and has all his limbs replaced? [waves] There is no such thing as midichlorines. There is no biological component to the Force. [/waves] ---
**Author:** ![ResIpsaLoquitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@ResIpsaLoquitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ResIpsaLoquitor)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/43 "2003-10-08T20:05:21Z")
Actually, the whole midi-chlorian thing might be a hoax made by Lucas to rub us all the wrong way. Think about it: the Jedi in the prequel era are convinced that they’re tangible beings. Qui-Gon didn’t become a ghost when he died, and indeed, people were pretty perplexed when his disembodied voice appeared while Anakin was killing the Tuskens. (The _Clones_ novelization makes apparent that Yoda couldn’t understand why he was hearing Qui-Gon’s voice.) Yet by _Empire_, Yoda isn’t flinching at all at Obi-Wan’s ghost. The theory most people have put together is that in death, Qui-Gon somehow found a way to continue existing past physical existence. This method will get revealed in Episode III, which is why Obi-Wan is able to do it when Vader strikes him down in Episode IV. And consider Yoda’s words in _Jedi_: “Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter…” In other words: the midichlorians are a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/44 "2003-10-08T20:50:13Z")
**Res** - alternate midichlorian theory… The reason that there is a corrolation between a high midichlorian count and being strong with the Force is that there’s something about the Force that causes the midichlorians to multiply in a person who’s naturally Force-full. Which would mean that Shmi would have had a lot of latent talent herself, if she had a midichlorian count high enough to cause a vigin birth (remember Qui-Gonn speculated that Anakin was conceived by the midichlorians). Of course, we’ll never know that because Shmi was never tested. Being strong with the Force could possibly have accounted for a late-middle aged woman (remember, she wasn’t all that young when Anakin was ten, either that or her harsh life had prematurely aged her) to survive what was apparently some particularly brutal torture at the hands of the Sandpeople for a month, which was apparently quite a bit longer than Clete Lars expected that she would be able to live. Also, it seemed to me that she had been holding out hope to see her son one last time before she died, so perhaps she sensed that he was coming. Oh, and did anyone else think Shmi looked pregnant in that scene? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/45 "2003-10-08T22:13:36Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted the Thea Logica_ > When talking to Jenga Fett… [Jenga](http://www.hasbro.com/jenga/) Fett? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/46 "2003-10-08T22:32:51Z")
Yes. A trans-dimensional toy company marketed the game, named it after the bounty hunter (changing the spelling of the name to avoid copyright and trademark issues) who was, at least indirectly, responsible for the collapse of the Old Republic. Of course, the significance of the name is completely lost to us Earthlings… ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/47 "2003-10-08T22:36:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Thea Logica \* > \*\*…Clete Lars… \*\* Cliegg Lars ---
**Author:** ![Moo\_the\_Magic\_Cow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@Moo\_the\_Magic\_Cow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moo_the_Magic_Cow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/48 "2003-10-08T23:01:20Z")
I love how you all seem to think that every vague idea and plot hole will be explained in Episode 3. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/49 "2003-10-08T23:04:15Z")
OK, so I didn’t read the closing credits. I’m going with phonetics, and it’s a bit tricky to pick out a lot of pronunciations out of film dialog. Movie sound is notorious for being muddled in the dialogue department. You either have to sit through the closing credits or read the novelizations. Actually, this really annoys me, and is one of the reasons I prefer watching movies on videotape/DVD rather than in the theater. Key plot point revealed… Obi Wan: Master Yoda, I’ve just learned that mumble mumble is planning to mumble over mumble. rewind, replay, rewind, replay… repeat process each time a new plot point is revealed. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/50 "2003-10-08T23:24:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Moo the Magic Cow \* > \*\*I love how you all seem to think that every vague idea and plot hole will be explained in Episode 3. \*\* I don’t. I’ve seen enough George Steven Lucasberg movies to know better than that. I do expect some of the major ones to be explained, like the D.Sidious/Palpatine connection. Whether Palpatine is, in fact, the clone of Sidious or is Sidious himself really doesn’t matter that much, IMHO. If Palpatine is, in fact, Sidious’ clone (or perhaps Sidious is the real Palpatine and the Chancellor is his clone) it would go a long way toward explaining why the Jedi Council can’t sense the presence of someone as powerful as a Sith Master in their midst. Sidious is, in fact, on some other planet, perhaps using the Force to communicate with his clone on Coruscant. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/51 "2003-10-09T01:20:09Z")
Well, one thing that was mentioned at the Jedi Council Boards-perhaps now that Jango is dead, the next batch of clones will have to be cloned from clones-which may cause them to be inferior. You know, copies of copies? Whatever. All I know is that if there isn’t at least ONE scene with a shirtless Obi-Wan, I’m gonna go over to the Dark Side SO FAST! ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/52 "2003-10-09T03:06:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Moo the Magic Cow \* > \*\*I love how you all seem to think that every vague idea and plot hole will be explained in Episode 3. \*\* No, the fun is in explaining how every vague idea and plot hole _could_ be wrapped up in Ep 3. Of course, the chances of George Lucas having a remaining clever thought in his head are about the same as my chances of being offered a big bag of money right now, but it’s still fun to conjecture. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/53 "2003-10-09T03:54:42Z")
Expect the unexpected. ---
**Author:** ![ResIpsaLoquitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@ResIpsaLoquitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ResIpsaLoquitor)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/54 "2003-10-09T05:06:55Z")
Hey, the NOVELS will cover the unexplained plot holes. Which is more cash for Lucas. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124/55 "2003-10-09T11:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > I love how you all seem to think that every vague idea and plot hole will be explained in Episode 3. You know, it probably shouldn’t be. More fun for us, more room to grow the series. Lucas did state that certain “plot holes” (and I mean that in the sense of an unexplained occurrance) will be filled in, and he’s laid the groundwork for it. > [@](#): > > Well, one thing that was mentioned at the Jedi Council Boards-perhaps now that Jango is dead, the next batch of clones will have to be cloned from clones-which may cause them to be inferior. You know, copies of copies? I doubt it. In any case, the Stormtroopers have been confirmed to be clones, but they use many different genetic templates. Some stormtroopers are canon by the novelization to be recruits, however, so I suppose its matter of degree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attack-of-the-clones-did-anyone-else-find-this-disturbing-spolerish/206124.md?page=2)