# Attention anti health-care reformers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745 "2009-11-08T00:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/341 "2009-11-15T06:08:19Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > How are "Conservatives’ trying to overturn RVW? [The 2008 Republican Party Presidental Platform (PDF)](http://platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdf) > [@](#): > > Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unbornchild has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. **We support a human life amendment to the Constitution** , and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendmentís protections apply to unborn children. That would overturn RvW. Q.E.D. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/342 "2009-11-15T06:09:44Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > This is when I quit arguing. Then I win. ---
**Author:** ![coyote2009](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@coyote2009](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coyote2009)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/343 "2009-11-15T06:09:51Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > My data is rock solid. You are invalid. PS. “Data” is plural. The correct wording would be, “my data ARE valid.” I thought you said you knew statistics? It must have been a typo. I’m sure you knew better. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/344 "2009-11-15T06:10:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I don’t care what they do. But I do care that all of our citizens have the same rights. In which penumbra do you find this mythical “right” to gay marriage? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/345 "2009-11-15T06:11:00Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Sure enough–it’s their own damn fault if they were raped: > [Rape Victim's Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance? | HuffPost Impact](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/insurance-companies-rape-_n_328708.html) What does that have to do with what I said? > [@](#): > > Extend Medicaid? That’s extending a government program, which I thought you didn’t care for. > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26664727/ns/health-health\_care/page/2/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26664727/ns/health-health_care/page/2/) That’s called a compromise - that’s what adults do. > [@](#): > > 29 states have a pool for those who need coverage: [GoInsuranceRates.com is for sale | HugeDomains](http://www.goinsurancerates.com/health-insurance/denied-health-insurance-coverage/) That also means quite a few states don’t. And in order to get yourself covered, you’d have to pay out much, much more. And? Why is it OK with you that others pay to cover these people? At what point are you going to realize that requiring that the responsible support the irresponsible means you run out of responsible? > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > With that attitude, why should I care if you have to pay more taxes? No skin off my nose if you are bled dry. Well, this is typical. It’s ok with you if **coyote2009** is bled dry just because you don’t agree with him/her on _one_ issue, yet you expect us all to pay out thousands of dollars each to provide healthcare to people who couldn’t be bothered to be responsible for themselves? To cover the children of parents with known genetic diseases, that they kick out into the world at 18 with their pre-existing conditions? Why do we have to pay to take care of catastrophic injuries suffered by thrill seekers? Or mundane things like lung cancer in smokers, or the livers of alcoholics? This shit gets expensive fast - where is that money going to come from? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/346 "2009-11-15T06:11:47Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > PS. “Data” is plural. The correct wording would be, “my data ARE valid.” > > I thought you said you knew statistics? > > It must have been a typo. I’m sure you knew better. :rolleyes: Back for more? > [@](#): > > I’ll waste no more time on you. I guess we can’t depend on anything you say, can we? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/347 "2009-11-15T06:12:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [The 2008 Republican Party Presidental Platform (PDF)](http://platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdf) That would overturn RvW. Q.E.D. They were right. ---
**Author:** ![coyote2009](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@coyote2009](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coyote2009)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/348 "2009-11-15T06:12:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then I win. yeah, you win. sure. keep thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/349 "2009-11-15T06:13:49Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > They were right. And you were wrong. Conservatives do want to overturn RvW. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/350 "2009-11-15T06:14:48Z")
**coyote2009** : I calls 'em as I see 'em. I’ll be honest. I don’t know very many gay people. But what I do know is that they are people, and that they are citizens. Therefore, they must have the same rights as straight people. And it is a fact that Conservative politicians and people who identify themselves as Conservative are the ones who want to deny equal rights to them. Allowing people to marry whom they please (even if the word itself is forbidden to some) should not be an issue. As has been stated by me and others, it is beneficial to the country for people to be healthy. Just my opinion, but I think that if you’re working to defeat something that’s good for the country, then you are harming the country. Stop trying to thwart people’s freedom to choose. Stop trying to deny rights to citizens. Stop trying to enslave people by denying them health coverage. If you don’t, then you’re anti-American. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/351 "2009-11-15T06:15:06Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > yeah, you win. > > sure. > > keep thinking that. I agree, let 'em keep thinking that. It will be that much more fun come the 2010 election. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/352 "2009-11-15T06:15:45Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > yeah, you win. > > sure. > > keep thinking that. Review the First Rule of Holes. Say good night, Gracie. ---
**Author:** ![coyote2009](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@coyote2009](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coyote2009)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/353 "2009-11-15T06:19:11Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then I win. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **coyote2009** : I calls 'em as I see 'em. I never posted that. Please keep your quotes accurate. Like I said, I’m not going to argue any more with you. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/354 "2009-11-15T06:22:02Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > I never posted that. Please keep your quotes accurate. Please learn the Board syntax. **name** : means I’m talking to you. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/355 "2009-11-15T06:23:10Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > In which penumbra do you find this mythical “right” to gay marriage? If straight people have the right to marry, then gay people have the right to ‘marry’. That’s why they’re called ‘equal rights’. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/356 "2009-11-15T06:24:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **coyote2009** :Stop trying to enslave people by denying them health coverage. If you don’t, then you’re anti-American. Stop trying to enslave people by confiscating 60% or more of their hard-earned labor. That’s anti-American. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/357 "2009-11-15T06:24:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If straight people have the right to marry, then gay people have the right to ‘marry’. That’s why they’re called ‘equal rights’. fags aren’t people, duh. (if this wasn’t obvious, i’m being quite facetious) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/358 "2009-11-15T06:26:58Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Stop trying to enslave people by confiscating 60% or more of their hard-earned labor. That’s anti-American. Don’t want to pay taxes? Go live in a cabin somewhere. Just don’t use the roads and other infrastructure the rest of us are paying for. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/359 "2009-11-15T06:28:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If straight people have the right to marry, then gay people have the right to ‘marry’. That’s why they’re called ‘equal rights’. Show me this right to get married? Where is it? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/360 "2009-11-15T06:30:20Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Show me this right to get married? Where is it? I know this will be difficult for you, but don’t be stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=19)