# Attention anti health-care reformers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745 "2009-11-08T00:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/21 "2009-11-08T03:17:13Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Oh look, trolling. In giant fonts, even. Nice. Hey, look. Threadshitting. And over use of the word troll. By someone who so obviously isn’t one. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/22 "2009-11-08T03:20:13Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Did something in the OP give you some reason to believe that the OP doesn’t believe what he posted, and posted it merely to provoke a negative reaction from you (or anybody else)? Why, yes, the giant font is your first clue. The second clue is posting as a twelve-year old. Enough said. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/23 "2009-11-08T03:22:42Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Yes you did, hence the font size. How old are you? Large font size = trolling? Really? As kaylasdad99 mentioned, the large font, all caps, bold text was an expression of my frustration. You say I’m a troll because I used large font. That is weak. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/24 "2009-11-08T03:24:00Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Hey, look. Threadshitting. Wrong. If someone wants to make a fool of himself in the Pit, I am free to call him out on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/25 "2009-11-08T03:25:43Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Wrong. If someone wants to make a fool of himself in the Pit, I am free to call him out on it. You call me a troll and say I act like a 12 year old, yet all you have to offer as evidence is large font. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/26 "2009-11-08T03:26:43Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Large font size = trolling? Really? If you’re not trolling, you seem awfully worked up, and for little reason. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/27 "2009-11-08T03:27:31Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Wrong. If someone wants to make a fool of himself in the Pit, I am free to call him out on it. Wow. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/28 "2009-11-08T03:29:34Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > They’re afraid that the government plan will become mandatory or drive private health insurance plans out of business, and then the government plan won’t approve treatments that private plans would have approved. They’re afraid that the democrats might actually do something for the people of this nation, and in doing so make them look bad. They’re so afraid of this that they will automatically lash out at absolutely anything the democrats try to do, and do or say everything they can to whip their followers into mindless hatred. Thus we people sporting signs that say [It is time to water the tree of liberty!](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/08/armed_and_dangerous.php?ref=fpblg), a threat of violence and/or death, in protest over _health care reform_. We see the word ‘socialism’ thrown around like an epithet, suggesting that creating a government run health care option fairly similar _to one we’ve had for decades now_ will suddenly cause our country to change it’s basic form of economy. We see exaggeration after insinuation after bald faced lie, all because they’re afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/29 "2009-11-08T03:29:46Z")
My support of the federal government’s involvement in a heath care reform plan was lost when it became clear that the only way the program could succeed was through forced measures. I’m am talking about, 'You WILL buy health care or be fined". That is just a deal killer for me. Not a party line, just a deal killer with me personally. Yes, I pay my taxes. But it is in no way clear to me that buying health insurance can be a mandated part of living in the USA. You will never get me to wrap my mind around that idea. Good luck on implimenting it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/30 "2009-11-08T03:30:32Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Why are you so frustrated? Rosie letting you down? Frustrated? Let’s see, I complain about an argument used against health-care reform. You attack me personally. I ask for proof of your attack. You say it’s because I use large font and post like a 12 year old. I call your argument weak. You come back with some strange comment about me failing at masturbation. Frankly, if all you can do is attack me personally then you’re the one who’s acting like a troll. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/31 "2009-11-08T03:31:48Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Wrong. If someone wants to make a fool of himself in the Pit, I am free to call him out on it. OK. I’ll play your game. You made a fool of yourself(again) in this thread. Calling you out. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/32 "2009-11-08T03:31:55Z")
Guys, don’t fall for this. It’s an obvious, over-used distraction tactic. She has nothing substantial to offer in response to the OP because there is no answer and she knows it, but if she can make this discussion be about the OP then she wins, because the OP’s point gets lost in the noise. A threadshit is only effective if we let it be effective. Ignore the threadshit and she loses. ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/33 "2009-11-08T03:32:38Z")
Huh. It’s interesting to see how things shift inside the edit window, how smartass posters re-think exactly which boundaries they are willing to cross. Telling. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/34 "2009-11-08T03:32:47Z")
> [@ghardester](#): > > My support of the federal government’s involvement in a heath care reform plan was lost when it became clear that the only way the program could succeed was through forced measures. > > I’m am talking about, 'You WILL buy health care or be fined". That is just a deal killer for me. Not a party line, just a deal killer with me personally. > > Yes, I pay my taxes. But it is in no way clear to me that buying health insurance can be a mandated part of living in the USA. You will never get me to wrap my mind around that idea. > Good luck on implimenting it, though. Forcing people to buy health-care and forcing insurance companies to sell it at a certain price sounds like Hillary’s plan for reform when she was running for President, and I agree, I don’t like that approach either. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/35 "2009-11-08T03:33:02Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Frustrated? > > Let’s see, I complain about an argument used against health-care reform. > You attack me personally. > I ask for proof of your attack. > You say it’s because I use large font and post like a 12 year old. > I call your argument weak. > You come back with some strange comment about me failing at masturbation. > > Frankly, if all you can do is attack me personally then you’re the one who’s acting like a troll. How old are you? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/36 "2009-11-08T03:34:18Z")
> [@Pullet](#): > > Ah. > > I agree that, if health insurance companies functioned largely to the benefit of their participants, then leaving the specifics of legislation to the individual states would be preferable. But, these companies have a long and large track record of being complete assholes. And not just statistical not-every-plan-works-for-every-case assholes, but manipulative, back-peddling jerks of the highest order. The states have been in a position to tweak this for a long time and have gotten no where meaningful. Doesn’t matter. In my opinion, the federal government has no authority to have anything to do with healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/37 "2009-11-08T03:38:15Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Doesn’t matter. In my opinion, the federal government has no authority to have anything to do with healthcare. You have yet to answer the first question I asked you in Post #9. I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/38 "2009-11-08T03:41:00Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > They’re afraid that the government plan will become mandatory or drive private health insurance plans out of business, and then the government plan won’t approve treatments that private plans would have approved. Like abortions? 'Cause that’s how they got the compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/39 "2009-11-08T03:41:23Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Guys, don’t fall for this. It’s an obvious, over-used distraction tactic. She has nothing substantial to offer in response to the OP because there is no answer and she knows it, but if she can make this discussion be about the OP then she wins, because the OP’s point gets lost in the noise. > > A threadshit is only effective if we let it be effective. Ignore the threadshit and she loses. Agreed. All she (I think it’s she) has done is called me names and thrown out personal insults, and I’ve given her multiple chances to logically explain herself. I’m not going to respond to her posts any more. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/40 "2009-11-08T03:44:01Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Agreed. All she (I think it’s she) has done is called me names and thrown out personal insults, and I’ve given her multiple chances to logically explain herself. I’m not going to respond to her posts any more. Wah! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=3)