# Attention anti health-care reformers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745 "2009-11-08T00:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/441 "2009-11-18T22:03:00Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > #1, I’m hardly a righty > #2, Who’s whining? Just trying to get people to have an honest conversation about all the upsides and downsides, not just reacting to anecdotal sob stories about someone who doesn’t have healthcare > #3, Dipshit, eh? A piece of advice for you: shush, adults talking here You’re the one who trotted out the “I thought you lefties were” crap, dipshit. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![coyote2009](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@coyote2009](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coyote2009)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/442 "2009-11-19T05:03:32Z")
Good lord. I saw this thread several days ago and came back to see who won. Looks bilaterally pyrrhic to me. Haven’t you liberal imbeciles realized the extent of your ignorance? Haven’t you conservatives yet realized you can’t win an argument with a fool? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/443 "2009-11-19T05:06:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Are you actually aware the time stamps are unreliable, and sometimes not the same for everyone? [Here is what I see.](http://web.acsalaska.net/~fmurtley/SDMB369.jpg) I posted that at 1:55AM on Sunday morning. You neglected to account for the time difference. Next time, just use the post #. Oh fercrissakes. And you say that _I_ try to sidestep by fabricating “facts” and indulging in transparent misdirection… If _you_ knew that a timestamp shows different times based on where the user is, then you knew damn well which post I was talking about. As for using the post number, I posted that originally on review, where there are no post numbers. All of which means you are trying to sidestep the fact that you agreed that donated kidneys are not as available in Canada as they are in the US. Pathetic. > [@](#): > > I’m not. If I learned anything from Cheney/Rove, it’s that fairness is for chumps. Well, that explains a lot. On the other hand, you support a UHC in the US, which is basically trying to make healthcare access “fair” for everyone. How do you deal with that irony? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/444 "2009-11-19T05:07:14Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > Good lord. > > I saw this thread several days ago and came back to see who won. > > Looks bilaterally pyrrhic to me. > > Haven’t you liberal imbeciles realized the extent of your ignorance? > > Haven’t you conservatives yet realized you can’t win an argument with a fool? I never have any interest in “winning”, I am merely plumbing the depths… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/445 "2009-11-19T12:21:57Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > All of which means you are trying to sidestep the fact that you agreed that donated kidneys are not as available in Canada as they are in the US. My cite proved that shortage has nothing to do with UHC. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/446 "2009-11-19T16:46:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I hope this moment of rare triumph will not be deflated when I advise I have no idea what you’re talking about. When dealing with a victim of early onset Budweiser’s, its always best to include reminders. > > Secondly, what is this “vanity search” of which you speak? This is not the way of my people… I always thought you were an asshole. I was wrong. The more I read your snippets, they are actually very funny. The search I had to do was under “Kearsen”, therefore my reference to vanity. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/447 "2009-11-19T23:13:17Z")
[Utah Sen. Hatch expects health reform ‘holy war’](http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13824605) It’s the crusade against the goddam arabs all over again. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/448 "2009-11-20T06:22:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > My cite proved that shortage has nothing to do with UHC. Do you _know_ that there is no connection? > [@Squink](#): > > [Utah Sen. Hatch expects health reform ‘holy war’](http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13824605) This is one of the many reasons why I am against the government controlling healthcare. After being sterilized for over 15 years and post menopausal, I am still concerned that I could become [pregnant](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1228615/Grandmother-sterilised--twice--gives-birth-miracle-baby.html#ixzz0XJZIVvlc) and not be able to get an abortion. Given the lack of separation of church and state in this country these days, I will not be surprised if the NO ABORTIONS NO MATTER WHAT rider ends up in the final UHC. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/449 "2009-11-20T08:58:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > After being sterilized for over 15 years and post menopausal, I am still concerned that I could become [pregnant](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1228615/Grandmother-sterilised--twice--gives-birth-miracle-baby.html#ixzz0XJZIVvlc) and not be able to get an abortion. Given the lack of separation of church and state in this country these days, I will not be surprised if the NO ABORTIONS NO MATTER WHAT rider ends up in the final UHC. For fucks sake, will someone pay for a therapist for this woman, please? Not only is she a total tool, she’s neurotic to boot. Maybe menopause has fritzed her mental faculties as well as her reproductive ones. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/450 "2009-11-20T12:15:42Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Do you _know_ that there is no connection? I see no reason to believe otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/451 "2009-11-20T13:33:16Z")
> [@coyote2009](#): > > Go a step further and look at England. > > A child in England with allergies and eczema and needs an allergist has a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the care she needs. > > I know this. > > I have seen it happen to my own family. > > Oh, I forgot to be rude here in the BBQ Pit. > Let me rephrase that. > “I have seen it happen to my own family, you stupid, sheepish, head-up-your-ass douche bag.” > > Sorry for not being rude before. I apologize. What was the problem exactly? My family has similar problems (eczema, cirrhosis, allergies ranging from cats\dogs to chemicals in washing powders and so on) too and we have been looked after exceptionally well by the NHS over the years. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/452 "2009-11-20T16:31:45Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > For fucks sake, will someone pay for a therapist for this woman, please? Not only is she a total tool, she’s neurotic to boot. > > Maybe menopause has fritzed her mental faculties as well as her reproductive ones. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. 😃 I used to think curlcoat was just an extremely stubborn individual with a chip on her shoulder, but reading that post (that she fears pregnancy post menopause) makes it pretty clear that she has serious psychological issues and should seek professional help. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/453 "2009-11-20T16:41:24Z")
I dont think “stupidity” is recognized as a psychological problem. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/454 "2009-11-20T16:49:48Z")
Huh… I missed this little nugget of idiocy before. > [@coyote2009](#): > > Go a step further and look at England. > > A child in England with allergies and eczema and needs an allergist has a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the care she needs. > > I know this. > > I have seen it happen to my own family. > > Oh, I forgot to be rude here in the BBQ Pit. I was born and raised in England. I suffered from eczema, allergies to numerous household products and danders, and severe asthma from birth. I received superb and unstinting care on the NHS, including a home nebulizer. Hell must be warming up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/455 "2009-11-20T17:45:02Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I used to think curlcoat was just an extremely stubborn individual with a chip on her shoulder, but reading that post (that she fears pregnancy post menopause) makes it pretty clear that she has serious psychological issues and should seek professional help. I’m glad it won’t be on my dime. I couldn’t bear saddling her with the guilt of benefitting from some insurance policy I may have paid into as well. That would be awful for her. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/456 "2009-11-20T18:17:09Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > …This is one of the many reasons why I am against the government controlling healthcare. After being sterilized for over 15 years and post menopausal, I am still concerned that I could become [pregnant](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1228615/Grandmother-sterilised--twice--gives-birth-miracle-baby.html#ixzz0XJZIVvlc) and not be able to get an abortion. Given the lack of separation of church and state in this country these days, I will not be surprised if the NO ABORTIONS NO MATTER WHAT rider ends up in the final UHC. If you ever get pregnant, start a fund raising effort here. In defense of the gene pool, I’m sure you’ll quickly get sufficient funds to transport yourself to wherever abortions are legal. With a special bonus if you agree to stay there. By the way–the idiots who confuse Church with State are **on your side**. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/457 "2009-11-20T20:54:00Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > You’re the one who trotted out the “I thought you lefties were” crap, dipshit. > > -Joe Hmmm, dipshit still. Ok. So you’re not a lefty? Good for you. My points still stand, btw ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/458 "2009-11-20T20:59:36Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > For fucks sake, will someone pay for a therapist for this woman, please? Not only is she a total tool, she’s neurotic to boot. > > Maybe menopause has fritzed her mental faculties as well as her reproductive ones. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. 😃 So, what is it about my post that makes you think I need a therapist? Or are you just interested in trying to insult the opposition into silence? 🆒 > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I see no reason to believe otherwise. You do know there is a difference between knowing something, and simply choosing to believe it? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/459 "2009-11-20T21:01:03Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I used to think curlcoat was just an extremely stubborn individual with a chip on her shoulder, but reading that post (that she fears pregnancy post menopause) makes it pretty clear that she has serious psychological issues and should seek professional help. I used to think that early on too. Wayyy early on. But, like some people think of **Cesario** , I think she’s only here to get attention, garner reactions, and rile people up. I think her “ignorance” and huge habit of ignoring downright facts and cites is an act. I also think part of her “act” is to always (and this has always been the case so far) have the last reply/say in a thread. Because she never stops. Never. How this can’t be an act, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/460 "2009-11-20T21:16:00Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You do know there is a difference between knowing something, and simply choosing to believe it? Yes. Perfect knowledge is the sole domain of omnipotent, supernatuaral beings. Believing in that which commands the preponderance of evidence is the best mere mortals can aspire to. Which are you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=24)