# Attention anti health-care reformers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745 "2009-11-08T00:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/41 "2009-11-08T04:15:37Z")
> [@Pullet](#): > > You have yet to answer the first question I asked you in Post #9. I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts on that point. National defense is healthcare? LOL. We all have identical needs when it comes to national defense. By contrast, healthcare is a personal service based on an individual’s immediate health needs. The services given to an individual will vary depending upon their personal circumstances. To say national defense = health care is laughable. Only a statist could come up with such an association. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/42 "2009-11-08T04:17:41Z")
**[Update 3: 218!!!](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/7/801956/-HCR-House-Debate:-Final-Passage-Up-Next)** > [@](#): > > CSPAN says the 1 R vote is Joseph Cao (LA-02). > > hey, it’s bipartisan now–who needs Olympia Snowe? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/43 "2009-11-08T04:30:18Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > To say national defense = health care is laughable. Only a statist could come up with such an association. Nonsense. In both cases, we are speaking of threats to the general welfare. In other words, one of the main things government exists to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/44 "2009-11-08T04:35:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Nonsense. In both cases, we are speaking of threats to the general welfare. In other words, one of the main things government exists to deal with. Just about anything can be defined as “general welfare.” Do you really believe the Framers intended the federal to have unlimited authority? If so, why would they have bothered to write the 10th Amendment? We have a \*\*\*limited \*\*\*federal government; the federal government can’t do anything it wants. If it’s not already enumerated in the Constitution, then it must be left to the states, or the people. Keep in mind we do not have a national government. We have a \*federal \*government… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/45 "2009-11-08T04:39:01Z")
Well, I’ll be damned! The lily-livered pussy-footing namby-pamby liberals actually won one ! Will gutless wonders never cease? ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/46 "2009-11-08T04:51:28Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Just about anything can be defined as “general welfare.” Do you really believe the Framers intended the federal to have unlimited authority? So ferderally-provided health care is a slippery slope issue for you? Do you envision the next step being federally-provided health care for animals? If so, may I direct your attention to [this link](http://www.aphis.usda.gov/). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/47 "2009-11-08T04:53:46Z")
Even more wonder-making, Republicans strongly endorsed the Democrats’ expansion of the welfare state (by prohibiting federal funds for abortion)! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/48 "2009-11-08T05:09:06Z")
If anything, the doctors may have more freedom – how many times do doctors prescribe a specific drug, only to have the insurance company change it to something cheaper? > [@Rysto](#): > > She has nothing substantial to offer in response to the OP When has she EVER had anything had anything substantial to offer? And before she insults me (or rather, tries to), I’ve heard it all before, **Carol**. So save it. (Frankly, nothing she could say right now could piss me off more than the way the Penguins game is going so far!!!) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/49 "2009-11-08T05:25:01Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Wrong. If someone wants to make a fool of himself in the Pit, I am free to call him out on it. I sure hope vBulletin can handle recursion. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/50 "2009-11-08T05:45:56Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Do you really believe the Framers intended the federal to have unlimited authority? The same people who intended blacks to be slaves and women second class citizens without the vote? Why should we care what they intended? This isn’t the 1700s anymore. And UHC is nowhere near “unlimited authority”. Nor is it likely to lead to that; amazingly enough, governments can typically handle helping people survive without turning into dictatorships. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/51 "2009-11-08T05:53:35Z")
So, now we got to decide what’s next. Do we round up all the guns, or the mandatory gay marriage thing? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/52 "2009-11-08T05:54:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, now we got to decide what’s next. Do we round up all the guns, or the mandatory gay marriage thing? No, we make it a requirement that to own a gun you need to be in a gay marriage! ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/53 "2009-11-08T06:10:30Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, we make it a requirement that to own a gun you need to be in a gay marriage! Will an open relationship as part of a 10 person commune work? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/54 "2009-11-08T06:28:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > National defense is healthcare? LOL. > > We all have identical needs when it comes to national defense. By contrast, healthcare is a personal service based on an individual’s immediate health needs. The services given to an individual will vary depending upon their personal circumstances. > > To say national defense = health care is laughable. Only a statist could come up with such an association. This distinction you make just seems like special pleading to me. I don’t see why a government service has to serve everyone identically for it to be a valid program. Not everyone is going to make equal use of police or fire department services, or roads for that matter. What about federal government funding to build levees in flood prone areas? Each individual’s need for a levee varies with their geographical location (e.g. their "personal circumstances). Someone in the Nevada desert certainly doesn’t need one that’s built in New Orleans. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/55 "2009-11-08T06:29:22Z")
Republicans bad! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/56 "2009-11-08T06:48:52Z")
Which reminds me, is there a font size measured in microns? Would that come with a premium membership? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/57 "2009-11-08T07:32:48Z")
Almost forgot! One Pubbie vote, that Louisiana guy. So, bipartisan. (snicker!) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/58 "2009-11-08T07:35:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Almost forgot! One Pubbie vote, that Louisiana guy. So, bipartisan. (snicker!) You used tiny font. That means that you’re a 12 year old troll. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/59 "2009-11-08T07:44:41Z")
Font size use is inversely proportional to age of troll. Therefore, **elucidatoro** is ancient. Jk, I \<3 you, elucidator. Please don’t unleash southern awesome on me ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2009, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745/60 "2009-11-08T07:45:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Which reminds me, is there a font size measured in microns? Would that come with a premium membership? Sorry, only microcephalics can qualify for that feature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-anti-health-care-reformers/516745.md?page=4)