# Attention Hetero's: Please take back America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 11, 2004, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608 "2004-02-11T05:09:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/81 "2004-02-12T02:59:40Z")
> [@Brandus](#): > > Go back to General Questions with your facts and figures, Mr. “20 posts per day”. You say that as if it’s a _bad_ thing. I still contend you’re an idiot, and you’ve said nothing thus far to disprove that. ---
**Author:** ![hebesphenomegacorona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@hebesphenomegacorona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hebesphenomegacorona)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/82 "2004-02-12T03:10:23Z")
You know, I am a big-breasted, straight woman who loves big, burly men who are a bit macho. I even love and understand football, though not quite as much as I enjoy sex (hey, two balls are better than one!). I also don’t understand why women don’t enjoy giving blowjobs. I’m also quite definitely pro-homosexual, if such a position exists. Brandus, a post like yours makes it clear to me, that, much as I enjoy men, I will never have sex with you. It’s a bit of a shame. You see, I think giving guys multiple orgasms is fun! Marry me. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/83 "2004-02-12T03:23:38Z")
> [@DeaganTheWolf](#): > > All I’m saying is that it might help if people saw Gays as PEOPLE first and GAY second. It doesn’t work. You can’t have me without having gay along with. > [@](#): > > I saw them as people first and Gay second. It didn’t matter that they were gay to me because they did all the things that everyone else did. We were not treated to a gay rights tirade every time I went to visit, which was often; nor did they make a big deal out of their lifestyle. You’re apparently saying one of two things: 1. Someone who only has one topic of conversation is annoying. This is true. There are also very few people like this, and accordingly, they’re rarely who is targeted when someone is talking about Queers who are “in your face.” 2. People who won’t let you forget that they’re Queer are annoying. Well, _ **TOUGH FUCKING TITTY.** _ If being allowed to forget that I’m Queer is a prerequisite to being my friend or my ally, you are fucking NEITHER. I don’t need support or sympathy that’s predicated on being allowed to forget that I’m Queer. If you have to put my Queerness out of your mind before you can stomach being around me, then I’d rather you just fucked right off and saved me the trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/84 "2004-02-12T03:39:00Z")
> [@robertliguori](#): > > On the grounds that this is far more revalent to my life than this lame-ass OP: Surely you don’t refer to multiple-orgasms as the term is commonly applied to women? Because if so, I’m going to have to demand a cite, or at least a how-to manual. Multiple orgasms for men: One in the morning, one at night. ---
**Author:** ![Brandus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Brandus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/85 "2004-02-12T03:40:53Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > I still contend you’re an idiot, and you’ve said nothing thus far to disprove that. This isn’t the forum for contentions and rebuttals you boring thread-killer. [This is more your style.](http://web.icq.com/boards/browse_folder/1,,343,00.html?tid=343) ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/86 "2004-02-12T03:50:11Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > I’m going to be quite honest and express my confusion over why I am being attacked as a DOMA supporter because I’d rather not be called a ‘breeder’. Explanations? I was not attacking you at all. I was expressing amusement (bitter amusement, to be sure) over the labeling as classless of those who use this term. If you think _we_ are classless, see the sort of filth (i.e. people who support DOMA and similarly disgusting measures) we have to put up with trying to tell us that we’re … oh, hell, any number of things supported by no rational fact and many irrational fears. > [@](#): > > You have no idea where I stand on these issues. You have also assumed ignorance on my part. All because I said I didn’t relish a certain less-than-endearing term, you assumed that I gave a pass to all the high-minded, high-horsed, self-righteous busy bodies who have no business sticking their noses into other people’s personal lives. > > Could you please sketch out this leap of logic for me? I’d be delighted to if that were the case in the first place. As is, you have assumed (I understand your assumption, though IMO it is faulty, but I do understand it) something that is not the case. **Deagan** : > [@](#): > > All I’m saying is that it might help if people saw Gays as PEOPLE first and GAY second. It is not possible to separate that part of my identity (me being bisexual, for purposes of enlightenment if you weren’t already aware) from the rest of me. I am, among other things, bisexual. It’s like examining my person and trying to separate my childhood from me. It’s an integral part of who I am. I had contributed to who I have been, who I am, and who I will be. Without my sexuality I am not the same person I am with it. Separating sexuality from a person also serves, IMO, to lessen the absolute importance of this fight. Once we dehumanize something, its importance, to whomever is affected by it, lessens substantially. Talking about AIDS as a statistical variable is one thing, but when you bring in the actual people who are affected by it, you can’t ignore it. You can’t put it down, you can’t denigrate it. It loses that faceless quality and it must be addressed because it isn’t going away. The second you dehumanize sexuality the same thing happens.It is part and parcel of who I am. I understand that, to some, “flaming queens” can be difficult to accept because they seem to you (regardless of their actual intent) as though they are trying to brand in your mind forever that they are gay. Consider, for a moment, the vision in your typical mall: you have different-gender couples ALL OVER THE PLACE. You have jewelry stores where women are trying on engagement rings. You have married couples shopping for clothing, for underwear, whatever. You have boyfriend/girlfriend couples going to movies. All these people are being very openly heterosexual. Some of them are probably engaging in Public Displays of Affection. And yet … surprisingly few people complain about those who are flamingly straight. Yet when you see two men, or two women, who are open in their affection for their SO in a similar way, they’re treated entirely differently. I, and I am not alone in this by any stretch, find the dichotomy there absolutely revolting. We encourage, or at least we for the most part do not denigrate, those who choose to engage in PDAs with their different-gender partners. Yet the second we see two men holding hands or each other or kissing or whatever, it’s in our faces and they should get a room or whatever. > [@](#): > > One trick ponies no matter what the trick get TIRESOME. Know what else gets tiresome? Hearing about all the equal rights hoisted up by people in this country and knowing they’re inaccessible to you unless (and sometimes not even unless) you fight for them tooth and nail, and you don’t stop fighting for a second. And since that fight has started, the same-gender couples who wanted legal recognition given haphazardly to different-gender couples have been denied, year after year. It has been since this country was founded, and this is not the only country by any stretch where those rights are denied. But you don’t always see that because when you’re growing up, you don’t hear about the disenfranchised, or the ones never given a franchise in the first place. You don’t hear most of the time about the people who don’t have rights. You don’t hear about it so much (though you hear about it more these days) when it’s not a “hot issue”. We **live** it, regardless of how hot or cold an issue it is to the media or anyone else. So, really dude, no offense meant, but I’ll be a pony all my life until equal rights actually MEANS equal rights. And if you find it annoying or offensive or tiresome, think about how it feels to wake up each day with a president (not to mention senators and other officials elected to represent me) who thinks it’s his personal crusade to keep me and my kind from destroying the “sacred” institution of marriage. Among many, many, many other things. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/87 "2004-02-12T03:53:27Z")
> [@Brandus](#): > > This isn’t the forum for contentions and rebuttals you boring thread-killer. > [This is more your style.](http://web.icq.com/boards/browse_folder/1,,343,00.html?tid=343) Words of wisdom from someone with 51 posts who’s been here less than three months. Did you read many pit threads before you registered here? ---
**Author:** ![Survivor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@Survivor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Survivor)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/88 "2004-02-12T03:57:00Z")
Jesus, a self-hating homo who is only a Queer cuz he “decided not to chase poon-tang”… How “Boys in the Band”… What year is it again, 1970? :rolleyes: “Can you say internalized homophobia?”, boys and girls? Sure you can… The Gay community really needs a word that’s the equivalent of an “Uncle Tom” in the Black community… ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/89 "2004-02-12T03:59:42Z")
> [@Brandus](#): > > This isn’t the forum for contentions and rebuttals you boring thread-killer. I’ll contend and rebut wherever I please, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/90 "2004-02-12T04:05:53Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > I’ll contend and rebut wherever I please, thank you very much. I don’t care what you do in the privacy of your own home, but why do you gotta be flaunting it all over the place like that? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/91 "2004-02-12T04:08:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t care what you do in the privacy of your own home, but why do you gotta be flaunting it all over the place like that? Hey, just be thankful I do it with my clothes on. You don’t wanna see me rebut in the buff, trust me. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/92 "2004-02-12T05:04:05Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > Hey, just be thankful I do it with my clothes on. You don’t wanna see me rebut in the buff, trust me. How about rebuffing your butt? ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/93 "2004-02-12T05:17:48Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m sorry it took me a while to respond, I had to supress my gag reflex. It’s behavior like this why we’re gay in the first place. Women trying to hold dominion over males through sex is the most degrading thing ever in the history of everything. Oh no! She won’t lift up her skirt for me! Must bow to her will! Well, I’ve learned a very important lesson from this thread. Gay people can be morons, too. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/94 "2004-02-12T08:28:55Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > So that’s 1/3 of one magazine for one week. > > Dude, your statistical average, which was already in the toilet, just took a plunge into the Earth’s mantle. You have GOT to do better than this. And this is a magazine you already don’t like. It’s not like someone went and branded your Happy Fuzzy Bunny “Gay Rights!” and forced you to look at it 24/7. **TubaDiva** , I changed my mind. I hereby decree that my new user name shall be **Happy Fuzzy Gay Rights Bunny**! ---
**Author:** ![Brandus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Brandus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/95 "2004-02-12T13:11:58Z")
> [@KCSuze](#): > > Well, I’ve learned a very important lesson from this thread. Gay people can be morons, too. Excuse me, this hate speech is intolerable. My people haven’t struggled for months and month in the entertainment industry to be known as morons. I would like to be known as a perfectly fashionable, infinitely witty, asexual accessory to beautiful women. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/96 "2004-02-12T13:27:44Z")
> [@Brandus](#): > > Excuse me, this hate speech is intolerable. My people haven’t struggled for months and month in the entertainment industry to be known as morons. No, you’ve managed it in less than sixty posts. > [@Brandus](#): > > I would like to be known as a perfectly fashionable, infinitely witty, asexual accessory to beautiful women. Fine, you’re anorexia. Now go away. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/97 "2004-02-12T13:39:35Z")
> [@Chastain86](#): > > Gay IS the hip, new thing for Mass America. I initally read this as “Miss America.” WOW…Vanessa Williams flashback. The OP didn’t mention Broadway which has recently become totally gay with “The Boy from Oz” and “Avenue Q.” Dancing away, singing “If you were gay, that’ll be okay…” ---
**Author:** ![gex\_gex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/94ad74/32.png) [@gex\_gex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gex_gex)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/98 "2004-02-12T13:56:54Z")
**FaerieBeth** , **jarbabyj** , you want me to help pry those nails out? Now, I could understand if straight people were actually suffering some actual form of discrimination, but damn, how do you cope with life if you get all pissy about some guy calling you a breeder? Get some perspective! Y’all can call me cracker, breeder, whatever. And those breeders who get upset when you do - call them whingers. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/99 "2004-02-12T14:14:13Z")
Wait, Will and Grace is “popular”? I thought the only people that watched it were 18-35 year old males with a thing for the redhead. Breeders? I thought that was a horse race. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608/100 "2004-02-12T14:29:38Z")
I find the term “breeder” somewhat laughable, as though gays were a kind of overclass that opted to devolve the perpetuation of the species on the Deltas and Epsilons of their brave new world, but by the same token, I don’t find it offensive either. Similarly, sadomasochists can call me “vanilla” all they like. Let’s not forget that vanilla ice-cream outsells all other flavours, after all. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-heteros-please-take-back-america/228608.md?page=6)