# Attention Mac users, pple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2002, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897 "2002-04-22T01:35:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tallinu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6de8d8/32.png) [@tallinu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tallinu)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/21 "2002-04-22T03:50:18Z")
**Repent you Heathens!** Well, only if you want… As for myself, I can’t believe this is real, it’s just too… out there. I can remember hearing the bitten apple theory before though. OTOH, it reminded of a time, in the mid-90’s when I was installing UNIX boxes as part of a migration for the company I worked for. At one location, the manager was a very nice, and very fundametally thiestic man. Although circumspect about his beliefs, he made no secret of them either, a policy I could agree on and we worked together pleasantly enough. After business was concluded for the day, I began the data migration to the new server as he watched closely and i expalined what was heppening(he was a PC buff as well, and wanted to find out more about this new system). Everything was going fine until the kernel load and rc scripts, at which point he was watching the console and saw several daemons posting start messages, and promptly wigged. 😉 After much expanation, I got him calmed down enough to allow me to compelte the job, but I do distinctly recall running chmod a+rw on a file instead of numerics… [SUB] And for the Mac owners who are worried for their soul, I got some old T/S1000’s here, garunteed deamon and Darwin free.[/SUB] _Repent you Heathens!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Maximino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Mighty\_Maximino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Maximino)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/22 "2002-04-22T04:22:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by eunoia \* > \*\*Also: no typos=not really fanatics > \*\* You know, I was thinking that too. It smells of Landover, frankly. I looked at their anti-Landover page again – they’re complaining about the wrong things. They’re too smart not to get the joke, and they’d be complaining about the ridicule and not the blasphemy. Besides, it’s just the sort of thing they’d do. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/23 "2002-04-22T04:24:09Z")
I followed one of the ad links at the bottom of the page and discovered a site that sells [sandals](http://www.shoesofthefisherman.com/) . Not bad, you say? One of these sandals has the word “Jesus” on the sole, and the other has “Loves You”. There’s another site selling [Bibleman](http://www.tommynelson.com/tommynelson/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=16500) action figures. :eek: I have the feeling this is legit. If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about someone who’s fanatical about anything, it’s that there is no such thing as “too over the top”. We can parody them, but we’ll never equal them for pure crazy. 'scuse me. I have to go rinse my brain now. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/24 "2002-04-22T04:35:53Z")
Parody. I’d have figured parody until so many posters voiced their concern that it was real. A web search of “richard paley” and/or “fellowship university” comes up with only the site we’ve been reading. What school has a “related” web site, but no home page? Why can I find just about any teaching assistant at most colleges, but can’t find their department head anywhere but here? ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/25 "2002-04-22T05:17:04Z")
I use a Mac and a PC (often simultaneously) at home, and prefer a Mac for schoolwork/work. I can function in a Linux/Unix environment, and I’ve used a SparcStation (Briefly). What does this say about me? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@The\_Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tim)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/26 "2002-04-22T05:32:16Z")
That you’re Unitarian scum 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/27 "2002-04-22T06:16:08Z")
Yep, parody. A very thorough one; I was whooshed bigtime for awhile. I suspect the darwin-platypus-devil mascot site is part of the joke. One of the pages has some porn ads at the bottom with this heading: Please support our website by visiting the following good Christian businesses Other tipoffs: Objections to occult practices at Halloween: “things such as ‘bobbing for apples’, which is really a symbolic re-enactment of the Fall.” Nobody believes that. Surely. This caption: “Bazooka Jesus”, one of the many quality Christian evangelical candies available commercially. On hiding bible tracts inside candy wrappers: "These work great because they give the child what they expect from Halloween - sweet candy - while also providing them with a dose of Christ. " This is Simpsonesque. On dressing up as Bible characters to witness to trick-or-treaters at your door: > [@](#): > > However, while dressing up as Biblical individuals is a good way to teach about the true history of the Bible, common sense and moderation should be heeded. For instance, it would be inappropriate to appear at your door as pre-Fall Adam or Eve or as a Sodomite. The mind boggles. This is just weird: > [@](#): > > Another option is to appropriate traditional costumes. For instance, a white sheet with eye-holes worn over one’s head isn’t an occult spirit, it’s the Holy Ghost. Write “HG” on the front and when the kids ask what that means, explain to them the subtle mystery of the Trinity; it will “blow their minds”. Over the top: > [@](#): > > However you decide to HalloWitness, make sure you tell the kids to pass it on. Give them extra copies of Bible tracts to trade with their friends at school (that’s one way to beat the prohibition on God!). **Make a point to suggest to the kids that they tell their friends what great stuff you are handing out.** Many kids today carry cellphones and pagers so they may contact their buddies right away! [my bolding] From the game theory article: “Homosexuality is a zero-sum game as well since one man plus another man equals zero children.” Uh-huh. From the section on Pascal’s Wager: > [@](#): > > If, however, the Atheist is correct and the Lord doesn’t exist, then those that believe in Him are merely wasting some of their time while those that do not believe in Him have more free time that they can devote to watching secular television programs or some such thing. From the Mall section, on the evils thereof: > [@](#): > > - J.C. Penny - The J.C. makes us think of Jesus Christ, thus associating our Lord with the lowest monetary value, the penny (even Judas valued Him at 30 pieces of silver!). > - Sears - What the flesh of the damned does in Hell. It also sounds like “seers”, Pagan mystics who engaged in occult premonitions. > - Cinnabon - Sounds like “Sin Upon”. > - Orange Julius - Named for the Pagan Emperor of Rome. This company’s mascot was once a devil, until they changed it to hide their true intentions. > - Hot Topic - A recent store aimed at children that openly sells devil paraphernalia. Any guess as to why “hot” is in their name? > - Hallmark Gold Crown Stores - Purveyors of Santamas tree ornaments depicting anthropomorphized woodland creatures (reference to Evolutionism) and Harry Potter merchandise. What notable person will have a mark and wear crowns? [Rev. 13:16, 13:1] And finally, a typo: “Positive values represent gains, and negitive ones losses.” Case closed. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/28 "2002-04-22T06:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > **But is this really such a shock? Lets look for a moment at Apple Computers. Founded by long haired hippies…** Omigod! Hippies? Long hair? Didn’t [**Jesus**](http://www.jesus.com) have long hair?! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/29 "2002-04-22T06:31:26Z")
Since I’m a godless atheist heathen anyway, I’m not disturbed at all. 🙂 (Or does this article prove that only stupid people use Windows? 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/30 "2002-04-22T09:58:37Z")
> [@](#): > > But everyone knows Bill Gates is the Antichrist! Yeah, that’s what I thought… it was the whole reason I got Microsoft products in the first place. I mean, who the hell would want to use a pussy Heavenly computer, anyway?!? But if Mac’s are the epitome of evil, and Linux is the epitome of good, I guess that leaves Microsoft somewhere in purgatory… I can live with that. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/31 "2002-04-22T16:08:23Z")
Apparently [Blogdex](http://blogdex.media.mit.edu/) thinks the site is a joke as well… ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/32 "2002-04-22T18:43:20Z")
My favorite part > [@](#): > > According to one of our readers, the new MacOS X contains another Satanic holdover from the “BSD Unix” OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: “chmod 666”. Evidently they’re not to familiar with the idea of access rights in Unix. “chmod” isn’t exactly a “secret code” and if you really want to unlock them fully, you’d better use chmod 777. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/33 "2002-04-22T20:29:03Z")
If this is a joke, it’s as completely deadpan and flawlessly executed as the “Why Cats Paint” book that came out a few years ago. I’d be almost more willing to believe that it’s an actual fundamentalist nutcase site that was whooshed when someone submitted that parody article to them. \ So Apple users are going to hell, eh? Well, it’s better than being a PC user, because they’re already there. \<\obligatory MS zing\> ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/34 "2002-04-22T21:25:19Z")
Parody. There are several giveaways: Several members have email addresses with non-existent domain names. Kyle Goldman’s (that’s one scary looking kid) website is titled _hands\_off\_lb_. He is also a former fan of the person behind the Landover site. “Diamond” Jack Holgroth is a member of NACGT (National Association of Creationist Game Theoreticians?), which doesn’t exist. There is an NACGT, but it’s for career and guidance counselors in the UK. He also solved the _Fisherman’s Quandary_ game theory problem. This supposed problem doesn’t seem to exist. Timothy Allmon will give a 10% discount on tax preparation services to anyone willing to convert on the spot Fred “Skeet” Hoskins is a member of the Christian Youth band named Zounds! There was a little known punkish group named Zounds, but they weren’t exactly Christian oriented. He was also appointed _Abstinence Czar_. 🙂 Except for here and in other cites that link to here, there is no reference to Mt. Fellowship Baptist church, nor to Fellowship University. There are plenty more small things that give it away, but it is **very** well done. The funniest thing about the whole parody is the fact that they are being quoted and referenced by several other sites, some atheistic and some fundie oriented. ---
**Author:** ![rushtopher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e47774/32.png) [@rushtopher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rushtopher)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/35 "2002-04-22T21:31:21Z")
So how long until actual fundamentalists start spouting these facts, much like they did with the Harry Potter article in the onion? ---
**Author:** ![Anaximenes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e99b99/32.png) [@Anaximenes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaximenes)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/36 "2002-04-22T21:44:56Z")
It’s funny, I used to care deeply about Macs vs. PCs, but then I graduated from High School… It’s good to know that I’ll be going to hell for my taste in computers though… that’s where all the fun is anyway. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897/37 "2002-04-23T02:51:50Z")
This site was discussed here before, but I think it got lost in the big crash. IIRC the consensus was that it was a parody. What clinched it for me (and I can’t find the particular page anymore) was the article about the purple teddy bear they were selling until someone realized purple was a color associated with homosexuality. So they changed it to a rainbow-striped teddy bear instead. I’ve seen some speculation on slashdot (I think) that the [truepath.com](http://truepath.com) site contains all genuine Christian sites - except for this one, which was subtle enough to slip in with the others. Even that “porn” site link **masonite** mentioned is really a “trap” for those who would give in to temptation. [sub]hmm… athiest, mac os x user… it’s a wonder I’m not in hell already…[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-mac-users-pple-computers-promote-godless-darwinism-and-communism/104897.md?page=1)