# Attention white people: ITS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. Think. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036 "2016-02-03T06:55:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/421 "2016-02-09T19:21:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Okay, we disagree on this. You can’t disagree - you don’t know what I’ve been through. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/422 "2016-02-09T19:32:18Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > You can’t disagree - you don’t know what I’ve been through. 😃 Aha, but I didn’t say that the rhetoric you used was wrong or too harsh. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/423 "2016-02-10T10:16:39Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Ah, I see you’re playing the game where you insult and provoke and then blame the victim. Oh, you were _provoked_? And then you got _angry_? And now you consider yourself a _victim_? Gosh, is that how that works? But… only for _you_, though, and your precious troll “feelings”. Not for the people with years and years of IRL provocation. No, _they_ don’t get to be angry, _they_ must debate like good, articulate logic robots. > [@](#): > > Ironic. Oh, there’s irony, all right… > [@](#): > > Do you think anger is a bad thing? Nope. But then, I’m not the one telling justifiably angry people to calm down. Now, why _would_ someone do that, if justifiable anger isn’t a bad thing? :dubious: > [@](#): > > I’m sorry you have things to be angry about, Suuure you are… > [@](#): > > but taking them out on those who are sympathetic to you doesn’t help, it just makes things worse. I know from experience that this probably won’t make you less angry though, which is why I have to make myself immune and say I don’t care what you think of me. If I believed you were sympathetic, I’d give a shit. Maybe if you had as many posts condemning racists as telling anti-racists they’re just Angry Blacks, you’d have a shred of credibility. As it stands, you don’t. Compounded by what you post in the feminist threads, I don’t believe you’re on my side in anything, at all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/424 "2016-02-10T10:31:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Compounded by what you post in the feminist threads, I don’t believe you’re on my side in anything, at all. Let me expand on this, lest you think I think you’re also a fake feminist - I don’t. But you can post something like this (emphasis mine): [ > [@](#): > > SOME feminists may bash men. Some don’t. **And sometimes a “bashing” is just legitimate criticism** , which you may have trouble discerning. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18825081&postcount=558](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18825081&postcount=558)) and not see that it’s the same for race, I don’t think you’re introspecting hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/425 "2016-02-10T14:14:15Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, you were _provoked_? And then you got _angry_? And now you consider yourself a _victim_? Yes. Not much of a victim - I’m not claiming I was harmed. But yes, I was wronged in a very very small way. We are both human beings. You are just as capable of wronging me and I am of you. > [@](#): > > Gosh, is that how that works? But… only for _you_, though, and your precious troll “feelings”. When did I say it was only for me? > [@](#): > > Not for the people with years and years of IRL provocation. No, _they_ don’t get to be angry, _they_ must debate like good, articulate logic robots. I never said they can’t be angry. Of course they can. I’ve already said so. But they, like anyone else, shouldn’t be angry at the wrong people. > [@](#): > > Oh, there’s irony, all right…Nope. But then, I’m not the one telling justifiably angry people to calm down. Now, why _would_ someone do that, if justifiable anger isn’t a bad thing? Don’t take out your anger on innocent people. It’s a simple concept. > [@](#): > > If I believed you were sympathetic, I’d give a shit. Maybe if you had as many posts condemning racists as telling anti-racists they’re just Angry Blacks, you’d have a shred of credibility. As it stands, you don’t. Compounded by what you post in the feminist threads, I don’t believe you’re on my side in anything, at all. If you’ve ever read anything I’ve said that makes you think I’m not sympathetic, you misunderstood it. Or you misunderstood what sympathetic means. I oppose sexism. I oppose rape. I oppose racism. That may not always be the same thing as agreeing with you about everything. You are not perfect and your opinions may not line up with those all the time. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/426 "2016-02-10T14:17:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Let me expand on this, lest you think I think you’re also a fake feminist - I don’t. What’s a fake feminist? Why would anyone want to be a fake feminist, especially on an anonymous board? > [@](#): > > But you can post something like this (emphasis mine): > [URL=“[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18825081&postcount=558](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18825081&postcount=558)”] and not see that it’s the same for race, I don’t think you’re introspecting hard enough. Thank you for a perfect example of how you simply don’t understand what I was saying. All I said was that someone can believe they are being bashed for a feminist opinion when they are actually being bashed just for being wrong about something. Feminists can be wrong too. They can even be wrong about feminist issues. Criticizing someone doesn’t mean you disagree with everything they believe. I’m not sure why you even think this is controversial. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/427 "2016-02-10T14:20:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > :dubious:Suuure you are… This is a great example of why your anger doesn’t serve you well. I said I was sorry you have something to be angry about. Yet, instead of taking that at face value, you dismissed it. You want me to be someone you can be angry at, and when I offer evidence to the contrary, you dismiss it. At best, you could say you are confused because you think I’ve said other things in the past that legitimize your anger at me. But no, you are eager to believe I said mean things in the past, but when I say nice things, you just dismiss those because that ruins your caricature of me as a mean guy. It’s a silly game that does nothing other than let you vent your anger. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/428 "2016-02-10T14:57:57Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > What’s a fake feminist? Why would anyone want to be a fake feminist, especially on an anonymous board? Why, to troll, of course… > [@](#): > > All I said was that someone can believe they are being bashed for a feminist opinion when they are actually being bashed just for being wrong about something. The implication here is that Cousins was wrong. He wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/429 "2016-02-10T15:02:38Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > This is a great example of why your anger doesn’t serve you well. Push, push, push the “Angry Black Man” narrative… > [@](#): > > I said I was sorry you have something to be angry about. Yet, instead of taking that at face value, you dismissed it. Why _should_ I take you at face value when I already have previous experience of your technique? > [@](#): > > You want me to be someone you can be angry at, and when I offer evidence to the contrary, you dismiss it. “Evidence”? What would that be? Because I’m seeing none, you’re still calling me angry while excusing your own little tantrum as justified response. And it’s not a question of mean or nice things - it’s the pattern that you show up to concern-troll, but you don’t show up to castigate racists. That one-sided “allied” behaviour is the tell. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/430 "2016-02-10T15:03:52Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why, to troll, of course… So in other words, you’ve declared yourself the right to simply ignore or not believe aboslutely anything anyone says for any reason. I understand you were a victim of a crime. If I accused you of lying about that just to be a troll, how would you react? Certainly there are trolls out there who might do things like that, but you really should give people the benefit of the doubt, and expect the same from others. > [@](#): > > The implication here is that Cousins was wrong. He wasn’t. That’s not the point at all. I wasn’t discussing whether someone was wrong or not in the comment you cited. My point was that I can disagree about it without it making me a sexist pig. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/431 "2016-02-10T15:04:48Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Yes. > > Not much of a victim - I’m not claiming I was harmed. But yes, I was wronged in a very very small way. _Sip_ I gotta get me a mug that says “Lance Tears”… > [@](#): > > When did I say it was only for me? How about for _Cousins_? Not that he was actually reported as “angry”, but if he was…? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/432 "2016-02-10T15:08:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > narrative…Why _should_ I take you at face value when I already have previous experience of your technique?" Did it occur to you that you were wrong about my “technique” in the first place? > [@](#): > > Evidence"? What would that be? Because I’m seeing none, you’re still calling me angry while excusing your own little tantrum as justified response. > > And it’s not a question of mean or nice things - it’s the pattern that you show up to concern-troll, but you don’t show up to castigate racists. That one-sided “allied” behaviour is the tell. There is no pattern. You imagined the pattern, and now you’re seeing it because of your bias against me. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You convinced yourself and now all you can do is see evidence that supports your belief, and any evidence that doesn’t, you just dismiss as part of that “pattern.” There is no possibly way I could convince you, which is why I said I don’t give a fuck what you think of me. You are a completely unfair judge. So I don’t care and I don’t try. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/433 "2016-02-10T15:09:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _Sip_ I gotta get me a mug that says “Lance Tears”… I’m not crying. I said I don’t care what you think of me, remember? You’re the one who is emotional here. Your emotions are misplaced. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/434 "2016-02-10T15:10:22Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > So in other words, you’ve declared yourself the right to simply ignore or not believe aboslutely anything anyone says for any reason. No, I judge by a pattern of posting built up over time… > [@](#): > > I understand you were a victim of a crime. If I accused you of lying about that just to be a troll, how would you react? You’re equating feminism with victimhood, now? And I didn’t say you were faking feminism to troll, I merely answered why someone would want to. > [@](#): > > Certainly there are trolls out there who might do things like that, but you really should give people the benefit of the doubt, and expect the same from others. Naah. Benefit of the doubt is for people who don’t have an established pattern of concern trolling. > [@](#): > > That’s not the point at all. I wasn’t discussing whether someone was wrong or not in the comment you cited. > My point was that I can disagree about it without it making me a sexist pig. Whatever you say. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/435 "2016-02-10T15:12:17Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > I’m not crying. I said I don’t care what you think of me, remember? Yep. You totally don’t “fucking” care 😉 > [@](#): > > You’re the one who is emotional here. Your emotions are misplaced. Sure, Mr Data, whatever you say. Gosh, I just feel so… Angry. For some reason. Who know why? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/436 "2016-02-10T15:24:01Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Did it occur to you that you were wrong about my “technique” in the first place? You didn’t serve any convincing evidence the last time either - like, where are your posts railing against the racists on the Board? By all means, link to them. > [@](#): > > I said I don’t give a fuck what you think of me …_“but I said it in a ‘nice’ way!”_ ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/437 "2016-02-10T15:24:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I judge by a pattern of posting built up over time… No, you were mistaken about that “pattern” and then you proceeded to see it where it didn’t exist because you were looking for it. > [@](#): > > You’re equating feminism with victimhood, now? No. And there’s another example of you not understanding me. But since you think I have a “pattern,” you can ignore my response and declare that I do equate feminism with victimhoood, right? > [@](#): > > And I didn’t say you were faking feminism to troll, I merely answered why someone would want to. I was using myself as an example. > [@](#): > > Naah. Benefit of the doubt is for people who don’t have an established pattern of concern trolling. But that’s a circular argument! You didn’t give me the benefit of the doubt in the first place. Instead, you decided I had a “pattern.” And now you don’t care what I say - you only believe what fits your “pattern.” It’s why you are so profoundly mistaken about me. Like I said, I don’t care, but perhaps you would care. But if you’re just looking for people to yell at to assuage your anger, you succeeded. I wonder if it worked very well though. Do you feel better? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/438 "2016-02-10T15:27:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You didn’t serve any convincing evidence the last time either - like, where are your posts railing against the racists on the Board? By all means, link to them. Ah, so now you’ve switched to the “I think something and it’s true until you disprove it” nonsense. I’ve never seen a post where you condemned the killing of kittens. Why do you hate kittens? Prove you don’t with links. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/439 "2016-02-10T15:39:43Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > No, you were mistaken about that “pattern” and then you proceeded to see it where it didn’t exist because you were looking for it. Your lack of response is what confirms it… > [@](#): > > No. It was a rhetorical question, genius. Of course you were, it’s right there in the post. > [@](#): > > I was using myself as an example. But I’d already acknowledged you weren’t faking, so that’s pointless, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > You didn’t give me the benefit of the doubt in the first place. On the contrary - i had a whole back-and-forth with you about it, _then_ I made up my mind. > [@](#): > > Instead, you decided I had a “pattern.” Naah, it took until this thread to realise it was a pattern. > [@](#): > > Like I said, I don’t care You keep saying it, but you keep posting… > [@](#): > > , but perhaps you would care. But if you’re just looking for people to yell at to assuage your anger, you succeeded. I wonder if it worked very well though. Do you feel better? I don’t know, let’s ask the _first_ person to “yell” if he feels “fucking” better… …well, do you, **lance**? > [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Ah, so now you’ve switched to the “I think something and it’s true until you disprove it” nonsense. That’s a “no”, then… > [@](#): > > I’ve never seen a post where you condemned the killing of kittens. You haven’t seen one where I urge kitten-lovers not to get angry at the kitten-killers, either. Analogy fail. > [@](#): > > Why do you hate kittens? I don’t hate kittens. I love kittens. Especially with hot sauce. > [@](#): > > Prove you don’t with links. You first. _Then_ I’ll give you the link to my Fluffy kitten Pinterest board 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036/440 "2016-02-10T15:43:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _Sip_ I gotta get me a mug that says “Lance Tears”… Just so you know, if your goal is to convince everyone reading this thread that Lance is right, just keep posting shit like this. You’ve convinced me that he is right already. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attention-white-people-its-black-history-month-think/745036.md?page=23)