# Attn circumcised: your mother is likely a sex offender **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2012, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278 "2012-07-15T04:51:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ele\_the\_Stoic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4bbf92/32.png) [@Ele\_the\_Stoic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ele_the_Stoic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/101 "2012-07-16T06:19:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > To take the OP more seriously than it deserves, the vast majority of American men were circumcised because it was believed that circumcision led to lower rates of cervical cancer in their female partners. That may have been mistaken but the intention was blameless. Lowers rates of penile cancer, too. And phimosis, which just gives me the willies… Haha… willies… > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The doctor has performed malpractice (at best) if there isn’t a solid reason for the procedure. Cosmetic surgeons, too. Any doctor who performs a breast augmentation should have their license revoked. Wait… > [@the\_diego](#): > > Next up: sex changes, cosmetic surgery, vaginal tightening. Damn, beat me to it. Haha… beat… ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/102 "2012-07-16T06:23:35Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Really? You think that we are moving towards a society in which it is frowned upon for a woman to change a baby boys diaper? How exactly do you think that would work? Yesterday I was cleaning up a pile of old family pictures which I’d scanned off Mom’s old albums. There’s jurisdictions in which the pictures of my brothers being bathed or of Littlebro at the beach (naked! you can see his dick!) would be considered child porn. Anybody got a link to that pic of a girl bathing in yellow water? You know it’s a girl because you’re told: no lower bits can be seen and she’s too young for her torso to be visibly different from a boy’s, but the photographer got in trouble for the pic… never mind that the water is yellow due to arsenic content, the problem is showing an unrecognizable naked child. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/103 "2012-07-16T12:32:57Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Your denial of your true feelings is evidence of the massive psychological repression exercised by your mind to compensate for your severe mutilation and penile amputation. You say – you may even _believe_ – that you don’t care, but, like women denying penis envy, you really feel deeply victimized and are compensating for it by a defensive mechanism of false expression. > > (And, yes, please, I’m joking my ass off here!) The trouble with thumping people who insist that you’re in denial of your “true” feelings is that they take it as confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/104 "2012-07-16T12:33:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So rape/sexual abuse is okay when it’s medical? He’s also willing to at least consider giving a pass to religiously-motivated rape. [QUOTE=Try 2B Comprehensive] Personally I am not sure I am willing to ban it for Muslims and Jews. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/105 "2012-07-16T13:11:44Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I have been a member for a long time but never had occasion to say the following: > > Give me a fucking break. Huh huh huh…you said “member.” ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/106 "2012-07-16T13:45:33Z")
_Some_body has Mommy issues… ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/107 "2012-07-16T15:44:36Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > some kind of religious (Catholic?) brainwashing Nah, Jewish. Maimonides said the reason for circumcision is to reduce the pleasure of masturbation, but self-reports have shown no consistently lowered pleasure. [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) has a good rundown of the medical implications of circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/108 "2012-07-16T16:09:44Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Ok, is _this_ trollery? Seems like nothing but purposeful inflammation. No a hemorrhoid is a purposeful inflammation, this is more like a wart or boil. ---
**Author:** ![Crab\_Rangoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Crab\_Rangoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crab_Rangoon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/109 "2012-07-16T16:16:46Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > Next up: sex changes, cosmetic surgery, vaginal tightening. Well - my vagina just tightened up after reading that. ouch. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/110 "2012-07-16T19:21:49Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > He’s also willing to at least consider giving a pass to religiously-motivated rape. Well that makes sense. Religiously-motivated rape is the best form of rape out there. It’s a time-tested and time-honored tradition, anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/111 "2012-07-16T23:07:46Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The trouble with thumping people who insist that you’re in denial of your “true” feelings is that they take it as confirmation. It’s wonderful! It’s the Freudian Catch-22. If you don’t want to boff your mama, it means you really _do_ want to boff your mama, but are suppressing the desire. What happens if one, in talking to a Freudian therapist, simply nods and says, “Yeah, in fact, I kinda would like to boff my mama?” (Confession; I’m an unreconstructed Freudian. Read all the guy’s works while in high school, and it had the effect on me that Ayn Rand often has one kids that age. So it goes!) (And, hey, my mama was HOT! Better lookin’ than a lot o’ women, f’sure!) ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Igor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Vlad\_Igor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vlad_Igor)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/112 "2012-07-16T23:47:43Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Your denial of your true feelings is evidence of the massive psychological repression exercised by your mind to compensate for your severe mutilation and penile amputation. You say – you may even _believe_ – that you don’t care, but, like women denying penis envy, you really feel deeply victimized and are compensating for it by a defensive mechanism of false expression. > > (And, yes, please, I’m joking my ass off here!) Hah! you can’t get to me! I’ve got my tin foil hat on. Your words go “kapwing” off my safety helmet! Hah! ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/113 "2012-07-17T00:45:31Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Nah, Jewish. Maimonides said the reason for circumcision is to reduce the pleasure of masturbation, but self-reports have shown no consistently lowered pleasure. Yeah, but he had a real hard-on (hah!) for the Pope in that last thread. ---
**Author:** ![SticksAndString](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@SticksAndString](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SticksAndString)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/114 "2012-07-17T02:12:59Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Forget circumcision, I’ve heard that some mothers regularly strip their baby boys naked and then fondle their genitals with a damp washcloth. Will the sexual assault never end? I’m sorry, but I read this and LOL’d…because I swear baby boy balls have more crevices, nooks and crannies than anything I’ve ever SEEN and those boogers were a BUTT to clean when BoyThing was an infant. I don’t know how he got them covered in poo but I swear, every time I had to change a poopy diaper I’d go through a couple dozen wipes trying to get everything off him. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/115 "2012-07-17T03:59:54Z")
> [@meyer6](#): > > forget circumcision, i’ve heard that some mothers regularly strip their baby boys naked and then fondle their genitals with a damp washcloth. Will the sexual assault never end? lmao :d ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/116 "2012-07-17T05:17:35Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > If it is, he’s remarkably [committed to that topic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=639400). I don’t want to wade through that thread again (the last time around was enough, thank you) but I’m pretty sure he was comparing circumcision to the removal of the clitoris and suggesting there was some kind of religious (Catholic?) brainwashing going on to keep guys from masturbating. Or something. That thread was wacky, yes, but you mischaracterize it. I’ll point out that I have repeatedly brought up the idea categories of _logos_, _ethos_ and\* pathos\*. At that time I was just beginning to understand what effect the circ was having on me, in terms of what I’d what I’d call ‘inchoate _pathos_’, and working to frame it in language took some effort. I noted and analyzed my own denial of the issue and devised some language to avoid the stupid ‘you are denying that you are in denial’ paradox. I was also trying to figure out in the background how to talk about it with my gf as there are some sexual side-effects, but her denial is to the point that she can hardly acknowledge that the circ is even the case. Btw, I detect an awful lot of denial in people’s responses here- I got some practice looking for it in yet another odd thread. No, I don’t compare circ to the removal of the clitoris. In every thread I’ve seen on this topic someone comes in and threadshits it by screaming about removing clitorises and making un-cited accusations. There are clearly analogies to be drawn between MGM and FGM as the anatomy itself is analogous, but how could they possibly be exactly the same thing? I also explored various reasons for why this might have been done to me. Religion was a possibility, freaks like Kellogg and their anti-masturbation advocacy of circ for boys (and clitoral acid treatment for girls!), British cultural trends, etc. Frankly I am still not 100% sure why I was subjected to it- probably because the reason is, “no real reason at all”! :mad: > [@Princhester](#): > > Actually, this isn’t far from the mark. Even many anti-creationist people think so. Gish was a clever speaker, and his opponents were usually underprepared and generally less populist and slick. Opponents of Gish’s schtick got better as time went by at debating him. > > Comments here: [Debating the ICR's Duane Gish](http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating/gish.html) I learned about the Gish Gallop just the other day from the **reef shark** thread. Of course I had seen it in action but had never seen the technique defined in this way. I was very interested in it considering my past difficulties with evangelicals. But no, you can’t accuse me of using this technique. I’m boiling these ideas down to the precipitate, not evaporating them. If you don’t believe me, why don’t you test it yourself? > [@Candyman74](#): > > I do not think that word means what you think it means. There’s this. I don’t think I have much issue with the definition of rape though, but rather with categorizing the circ. I have been over these points before, probably twice. Is it a sexual assault? It seems more than that considering the permanent and maiming nature of circ. Rape? Not really, too stretchy with words. Ritual genital mutilation? As it turns out I did not gain any confidence that I had pinned down (though I can hit it with a shotgun) the appropriate terminology when lots of other posters adopted those words. I reconsidered the weighting of the ‘incestual’ aspect (which I admit looks pretty stupid highlighted in the OP that way, that’s idiosyncratic of my piecing of this together), which knocked over my categorization scheme, hence my going over it again. So I know it is the pit and all, but if there is an aspect people want to debate through to its logical conclusion, this one would be a good candidate. How do we categorize circ, and why? What does it take to be confident in the conclusions? How can parents handing their sons over to have the most sensitive part of their bodies _amputated_ at 8 days of age for no medically necessary reason not be a sex crime? > [@MandaJo](#): > > the OP is insane. Absolutely not. c.f. circ, amputations for gangrene or diabetes complications in which the rationale is ‘amputating the extremity is immanently necessary or we will lose the limb, if not the patient.’ How is this the case with circ? And without a rationale, how is such an aggressive procedure not malpractice at least? Not to say I don’t have my problems, but I know what they are, I am not insane, and I don’t need to pay a therapist thousands of dollars to merely translate my take into a different set of terms. I’m running out of time- if you are interested I can tell you about the ‘Problem of Futility’ and my generalized beef that ‘justice is merely a word!’. I am actually more consistent than you seem willing to believe, even if I have not yet edited all the blanks. Anyway I’ll have to go into some of it at least to explain why I hope **Alessan** will take the time to give me a thoughtful answer. > [@Alessan](#): > > Not only is my mother a sex offender because of what she did to me, I guess I’m a sex offender myself for having my son circumcised - and not only that, the procedure was carried out _on this very table_ I’m sitting at right now and typing this. How do you like that? Quite mixed. My poor thread got doomed to the pit, but what do you say, **Alessan**? My issue is not at all cosmetic as so many of my opponents imply. If I explain to you my synthesis of the issue, will you give me a thoughtful answer? ---
**Author:** ![Ele\_the\_Stoic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4bbf92/32.png) [@Ele\_the\_Stoic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ele_the_Stoic)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/117 "2012-07-17T05:42:00Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > What happens if one, in talking to a Freudian therapist, simply nods and says, “Yeah, in fact, I kinda would like to boff my mama?” I always wondered what he would think of “yo momma” jokes, or “that’s what she said” jokes. “Have you ever had ze sexual attractions to your _mozer_?” “No, but I’ve always been pretty fond of yours…” > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Btw, I detect an awful lot of denial in people’s responses here- I got some practice looking for it in yet another odd thread. You got me. I can’t even stand looking at other guys’ penises. If they’re uncircumcised, I get jealous. If they’re circumcised, it reminds me of my own _inchoate pathos_. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/118 "2012-07-17T05:50:38Z")
😕 Is inchoate _pathos_ really so unfamiliar? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/119 "2012-07-17T05:55:48Z")
No, but it does make you sound like a pretentous douche canoe. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I was also trying to figure out in the background how to talk about it with my gf as there are some sexual side-effects, but her denial is to the point that she can hardly acknowledge that the circ is even the case. Or, she just thinks you’re batshit. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278/120 "2012-07-17T05:56:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Or, she just thinks you’re batshit. No, _you_ think I’m batshit. I hope you’re having fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-circumcised-your-mother-is-likely-a-sex-offender/628278.md?page=7)