# Attn: Fat People. Quit Your Fucking Whining!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725 "2011-04-08T22:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Surb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@The\_Surb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Surb)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/21 "2011-04-08T23:33:21Z")
Bullshit. There has to be an easier way. Isn’t there a pill I could take? I am thinking of starting The Crystal Meth diet. The only downside I can see is losing my teeth. Hell, look at Eddie Van Halen, He is one skinny mofo. Charlie’s not a lard-ass either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/22 "2011-04-08T23:35:17Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > “Moderation” 🙂 Bullshit. I’ve been moderating for over a year now, and I’m still fat. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/23 "2011-04-08T23:35:28Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You seem informed on the subject, but I need to ask, have you read Gary Taubes seminal work “Good Calories, Bad Calories”? Because if you havent then I really cant take you seriously. Nope, never heard of it. Although, hang on…is that the one which is all about how Taubes is a rennaissance man who is unappreciated in his own time? Anyway, while my advice is general and not 100% perfect, it’s good enough to get the job done and, excluding those 0.001% of obese people who really _do_ have a glandular disorder, it’ll work for anyone. This remains true regardless of how many people take me seriously 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/24 "2011-04-08T23:36:05Z")
liposuction. I did it in one word, I win. Where’s my cake? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Surb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@The\_Surb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Surb)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/25 "2011-04-08T23:37:28Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > Nope, never heard of it. And while my advice is general and not 100% perfect, it’s good enough to get the job done and, excluding those 0.001% of obese people who really _do_ have a glandular disorder, it’ll work for anyone. This remains true regardless of how many people take me seriously. And the same is true for my Crystal Meth Diet. I forgot to mention one other side effect, prison. But other than that minor detail, it’s golden. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/26 "2011-04-08T23:40:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Bullshit. I’ve been moderating for over a year now, and I’m still fat. But have you been moderating in moderation? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/27 "2011-04-08T23:42:19Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > It’s about time someone on the Internet stepped up and told fat people to lose some weight. Thank you, Cort, for finally breaking the silence. You are a hero to us all. I don’t think he told them to stop being fat. He told them to stop whining about being fat. It’s not a rant about fat people, it’s about a particular set of co-dependent fat people who rhetorically make false claims at work as part of a greater narrative strategy to reinforce group identity as people whose fatness is inevitable despite their valiant efforts to the contrary. It’s no different from people whose office culture is complaining about being overworked while actually just being inefficient and / or lazy. Anyway, I should go—I’ve got a million things to do, and I just never seem to have enough energy to get it all done, never mind the time. _waddles off to search messy desk for a doughnut_ ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/28 "2011-04-08T23:55:03Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > Goodness, I’m sorry. I forgot myself. Let me try again: > > “I hate the hypocritical Democrat/Republican Obamabotic/Tea-bagging “FAUX” News/NYT pundits who oppose gay rights/tax cuts and love/hate guns and use “your” when they mean “you’re” or vice versa while saying something crazy about animal rights and overusing SDMB memes from 2006” > > Yes, it’s another fat thread in the pit. Get over it. And if you can’t, console yourself with the knowledge that, post for post, this one has more solid info about weight loss than all the rest put together. Another lame and ignorant self satisfied whine … oh excuse me … “vent”. Your pleasant quick with a smile and overweight female coworkers (and one who is … “well, not fat as such, but still pretty ashamed” 😕) feel comfortable enough around you to vent about how frustrated they have gotten trying lose weight and discuss the latest misinformation they’ve read in whilst in your presence. And you have lost a stone or so … for now anyway … so you are “an expert” and it drives you nuts. Yeah, get over it. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/29 "2011-04-09T00:03:48Z")
**Cort** is going on the list of people I intend to eat. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Captain\_C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_C)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/30 "2011-04-09T00:05:36Z")
Gotta say, I think **Cort** has met some of my co-workers. I’m 6’1", 175 lbs, and work a sedentary office job. All the office women make fun of my lunches, as I’ll eat 4 fast-food burgers and fries, or most of a pizza, or eat my packed lunch then order with everyone else, etc. “Oh, how can you eat so much! You are so skinny” they say. Look, it’s calories in, calories out. I enjoy listening to podcasts and jogging. Each night I probably sprint/run for about an hour straight. If I didn’t eat that much, I’d probably weigh around 145 or less. In the winter months when I stop jogging, I stop eating so much. Heck, sometimes on weekends I’ll just be lazy and only eat one meal a day. It’s really not that hard. But getting them to understand this, fuck it’s like yelling at wallpaper (not effective). ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/31 "2011-04-09T00:10:57Z")
I’m just glad it looks like April will not be yet another rape month. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/32 "2011-04-09T00:11:54Z")
Stop whining about fat people whining! ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/33 "2011-04-09T00:16:13Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Another lame and ignorant self satisfied whine … oh excuse me … “vent”. > > Your pleasant quick with a smile and overweight female coworkers (and one who is … “well, not fat as such, but still pretty ashamed” 😕) feel comfortable enough around you to vent about how frustrated they have gotten trying lose weight and discuss the latest misinformation they’ve read in whilst in your presence. And you have lost a stone or so … for now anyway … so you are “an expert” and it drives you nuts. > > Yeah, get over it. Oh, fuck off. Everything you know about these people, you know through me. You have absolutely no idea whether they’re choosing to _confide_ in me, or whether they just _don’t care_ how tedious and repetitive they’re being. Frankly, given how often they talk about it, I can only conclude that their need for validation massively outweighs any concern they might have for the effect this endless fucking pity party has on me. And by the way, they’re not “discussing” the latest misinformation, they’re _propagating_ it. They don’t give the slightest indication that they’ve made any effort to critically evaluate the garbage that they “discuss”. They’re nice people, genuinely, but this is the one thing they do which really winds me up. As to your 😕, “ashamed” is a perfectly valid descriptor of the specific co-worker you referenced. You know how I know this? Because today she said _“I look in the mirror and I think ‘Oh, it’s such a shame how I’ve let myself go.’”_ This is a mere variation on a theme she trots out whenever the subject of weight loss comes up, which, as I hope I’ve made clear by now, is _very, very often!_ And yes, I _am_ an expert in weight loss. Even though I’ve only lost 20lbs. Know why? Because _it’s really fucking simple stuff!_ I couldn’t pass an exam, but I know enough to do the one thing that 99.999% of people who learn about nutrition set out to do: Lose fat. You’ve read my OP. Now you’re an expert, too. Congratulations. Have a rice cake. Believe it or not, the method I used to lose 20lbs can be equally applied to anyone trying to lose any amount of weight at all. Unless you’re one of those very few unfortunate people who actually _has_ got a glandular problem, this stuff simply cannot fail to work. Get your BMR. Select the appropriate multiplier from the list. Take off 500. Eat 6 times a day, 40% carbs, 40% protein, 20% fat. Exercise 4 times a week, weights before cardio. That’s it! Took me 3 hours to do all that. And I spent twice as long _TODAY_ listening to a bunch of dangerously obese people claiming that their situations were impossible. Well I’m sorry, it wound me up. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/34 "2011-04-09T00:18:17Z")
So, can I still whine about other things, or are fat people hereby proscribed from whining at all? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/35 "2011-04-09T00:28:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Another lame and ignorant self satisfied whine … oh excuse me … “vent”. > > Your pleasant quick with a smile and overweight female coworkers (and one who is … “well, not fat as such, but still pretty ashamed” 😕) feel comfortable enough around you to vent about how frustrated they have gotten trying lose weight and discuss the latest misinformation they’ve read in whilst in your presence. And you have lost a stone or so … for now anyway … so you are “an expert” and it drives you nuts. > > Yeah, get over it. You sound fat. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/36 "2011-04-09T00:45:01Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > So, can I still whine about other things, or are fat people hereby proscribed from whining at all? You are allowed to whine about the Baltimore Orioles no longer being undefeated in the 2011 season, the non-existence of a TV station in St. Louis that carries all the Orioles games, and the failure of the Orioles to keep Eddie Murray around for his entire career. Oh, and the distressing rarity of Stompin’ Tom Connors early albums. That’s about it, really. Watch yourself. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/37 "2011-04-09T00:47:01Z")
This is something I have never, ever understood . . . 500 cal deficit/day = 3500 cal deficit/week 1 lb of fat = 3500 cals Ergo eating 500 cals less a week should result in one pound of fat loss per week. However, there are a lot of assumptions in this logic train that seem to go unquestioned on the boards. 1. 3500 cals = 1 lb of fat. 1 lb of what kind of fat? Did they burn 1 lb of adipose tissue to get that? Subq fat? visceral fat? I’m almost certain that they burned dietary fat of some kind (whether PUFA or MUFA or saturated or trans) which does not correlate exactly to human subcutaneous fat 2. The numbers that are printed on calorie labels are, I assume, the numbers taken by burning the items in a bomb calorimeter (let me know if I’m wrong). If so, why are we assuming that the human body extracts the full energy from everything we eat? 3. Why are we assuming that the body does not adjust its calorie expenditure accordingly when you eat 500 cals less a day (which for many people is a full third of their daily energy intake)? Also, I know you said only .001% of people have “glandular” disorders but I don’t think it’s very controversial that hormones have a substantial effect on energy expenditure. The following is a short list of hormonal conditions that will cause fat change even if exercise and energy intake are kept constant: 1. Cushings (fat gain) and its sister Addison’s (fat loss) 2. Diabetes type I and II (fat loss) 3. Pregnancy (fat gain usually) Also, as much of an expert you think you are, the science of nutrition and metabolism is actually very convoluted. For example, many people lose weight on a diet high in saturated fats, which are not included on your list of “ok” foods, while many people gain weight eating lots of whole grains, which are included on your list of good foods. Also, for whoever called **DSeid** “fat” above, I’m pretty sure he’s a medical professional, and I want to say he’s an MD, which might explain why he takes issue with overly simplistic attitudes to weight loss, as do I. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/38 "2011-04-09T00:56:13Z")
I came in here to get in on a vent about how incredibly boring it is to listen to people go on and on and on about dieting and weight and dieting and food and dieting … And I found about thiry posts about dieting and losing weight. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/39 "2011-04-09T00:58:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Bullshit. I’ve been moderating for over a year now, and I’m still fat. Despite the presence of “mode” in the word, it doesn’t mean that you have all dishes with a scoop of ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725/40 "2011-04-09T01:01:52Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > Also, for whoever called **DSeid** “fat” above, I’m pretty sure he’s a medical professional, and I want to say he’s an MD, which might explain why he takes issue with overly simplistic attitudes to weight loss, as do I. Doctors can fat and/or douchebags. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-fat-people-quit-your-fucking-whining/577725.md?page=3)