# Attn losers: Go to Asia and get laid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504 "2009-09-17T21:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/101 "2009-09-18T18:53:05Z")
> [@Jodi](#): > > Whoa whoa whoa! Let’s be very clear here as to who I’m razzing: Him, not you. If he’s got some setting on his phone that makes people look orange then he needs to change it. That’s his issue, not yours. > > I’ve already said I thought your picture was very nice. More importantly, I would NEVER be as bitchy as you’ve just attributed me to be. I might tell a person they’re full of shit if I think they are, but I will NEVER make some shit-heel comment on how someone looks. I don’t care if you’re a Cyclops; the most you’ll ever hear me say is that you have lovely eye. > > We don’t know each other very well, but I hope you know me better than that. You know what? You are 100% right. I apologize for mixing up posters and such. You are good people and not one bit orang-ist :D. Seriously, though, with all the snarking on silliness in this thread, I got a bit confused for a minute there. It doesn’t help that I have zero memory for posters and such. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/102 "2009-09-18T18:58:45Z")
So we’re good? Hug it out! Hug it out! ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/103 "2009-09-18T19:03:13Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > You know what? You are 100% right. I apologize for mixing up posters and such. You are good people and not one bit orang-ist :D. I didn’t make any comments about the skin tone, but I think this would be a good time for me to state that I am an orangist. Those people with the auto body shop spray-on orange tans are totally creepy. But these people, of course, have nothing to do with Diosa. So let’s move on, everybody hug, then let’s get back to what we were doing… which was… what were we doing again? Making fun of Argent Towers? ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/104 "2009-09-18T19:14:01Z")
> [@irae](#): > > Wow. I guess the stereotype of the demure, passive, naive Asian woman is alive and well. As a former English teacher in Taiwan (Taichung and Chia-Yi, '92 - '02) and husband to one of the delicate blossoms referenced above for 13 years, I get a huge chuckle **out of your ignorant assumptions**. IME, Western guys (and gals) who can’t get laid at home might get a slight advantage when it comes to the first 5 minutes of a relationship (‘that guy has a neckbeard and smells, but he’s from Exotic Phoenix, so I’ll hear him out’), but once you get past that stage it’s all you, Brother (Sister). Excuse me, but my post was written in a sarcastic and critical manner. I assure you I do not lust after demure oriental flowers falling over themselves for my huge penis (I’m a girl, anyway), I’m criticizing people who recommend going to Asia not for the joy of teaching or to experience the local culture, but because they view Asian women as exotic sexual objects. I do not appreciate any suggestion that I view these women in that manner. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/105 "2009-09-18T19:25:30Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > In the sense that, if his mother was Japanese and he was therefore half Japanese, then his other half had to be _something_. His father is American, so that’s why I phrased that in that way. > > Apparently, I should have said he was a Japanese American? 😕 Since you were trying to convey his racial background, rather than his nationality, you probably should have said he was half _white._ A “half Japanese, half American” person could have a Japanese mother and a black father, but I don’t think that’s what you were going for. Some people would find the concept that “American = white” incredibly offensive, you know. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/106 "2009-09-18T19:37:09Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I didn’t make any comments about the skin tone, but I think this would be a good time for me to state that I am an orangist. Those people with the auto body shop spray-on orange tans are totally creepy. But these people, of course, have nothing to do with Diosa. So let’s move on, everybody hug, then let’s get back to what we were doing… which was… what were we doing again? Making fun of Argent Towers? That hardly seems fair, as he is obviously somewhere off-site with his nose buried in a heavily dog-eared and curiously blemished copy of Samuel R. Delany’s _Hogg_. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/107 "2009-09-18T19:42:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Some people would find the concept that “American = white” incredibly offensive, you know. About 70 percent wouldnt 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/108 "2009-09-18T19:51:42Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That hardly seems fair, as he is obviously somewhere off-site with his nose buried in a heavily dog-eared and curiously blemished copy of Samuel R. Delany’s _Hogg_. Actually, right now I’m reading _The Stranger._ All I can say is, Camus is no Delany. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/109 "2009-09-18T19:59:29Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Actually, right now I’m reading _The Stranger._ > > All I can say is, Camus is no Delany. True. Camus is actually worth reading. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/110 "2009-09-18T20:01:39Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Those people with the auto body shop spray-on orange tans are totally creepy. Affectionately known as “guidos”. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/111 "2009-09-18T20:12:30Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > All I can say is, Camus is no Delany. Hear, hear. And as a white guy who is getting ready to move to Japan for at least 2 years or so (though not for teaching), I was a bit creeped out by the suggestion even from some women here in the States that some people over there would be anxious to introduce their daughters to me. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/112 "2009-09-18T20:13:42Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Since you were trying to convey his racial background, rather than his nationality, you probably should have said he was half _white._ > > A “half Japanese, half American” person could have a Japanese mother and a black father, but I don’t think that’s what you were going for. > > Some people would find the concept that “American = white” incredibly offensive, you know. Well, I certainly did not mean to imply that American = white. (I am one of the people who would find that concept offensive.) In fact, I can’t be sure of the guy’s father’s heritage 'cause I never met him, so for all I know… he _isn’t_ white. The guy looked Japanese or possibly Native American… His dad could be Latino or something. I dunno. I think I was trying to convey nationality moreso than racial background. Somehow, I have this hinky feeling that regardless of how sensitively I attempt to phrase this… someone’s going to manage to get their panties in a bunch about it. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/113 "2009-09-18T20:26:17Z")
There are a _lot_ of places in the US where Italian is “white, but not”. In Detroit, we have a LOT of Italians (and Greeks), and they’re exactly that. Like, the general perception is “technically white, but y’know”. There’s nothing negative about it (“they’re not white enough!”), it’s just that with a darker complexion, dark hair, etc, it _is_ more exotic than the usual Irish/English/French/German “lighter skin, vaguely blondishbrownish hair, and brown or blue eyes”.\* So yeah, they look “different” enough that it’s a different category in a lot of people’s minds (or maybe subcategory. There’s “white” and then there’s “white-Italian/Greek”). Hell, there’s a ton of Poles here and non-Polish people still think of us as “different”. If you’re not descended from people who are from Western Europe, even if you’re white, you’re considered different. Hell, my German-heritage aunt\*, when my other aunt and her Polish husband were naming their daughter “Katerina”, said, “isn’t that a bit… _ethnic_?” Yeah, with a Polish last name. :rolleyes: Hell, I get attention around here because I’m 1 - super pale (even for a honky), 2 - have smaller, deepset eyes and 3 - my body is more stereotypically “black” (the only jeans that actually fit my waist AND hips are Applebottoms, as an example) with a rack. [Here’s my [strike]Myspace[/strike] Facebook picture](http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v249/71/57/1301937121/n1301937121_18002_257.jpg) to see the paleness that _everyone_ comments on. I’m different enough from “generic white girl” around here, at least, that I do get more attention than I’d think I’d get otherwise. - At my Catholic grade school, I remember looking at the backs of heads at mass and seeing that the _vast_ majority had hair a shade somewhere in the range of “dark blonde to ashy/sandy lightishmediumish brown” \*\* My mom’s side is German-descent and my dad’s is Polish/Slovak. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/114 "2009-09-18T20:29:24Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Hell, I get attention around here because I’m 1 - super pale (even for a honky), 2 - have smaller, deepset eyes and 3 - my body is more stereotypically “black” (the only jeans that actually fit my waist AND hips are Applebottoms, as an example) with a rack. [Here’s my [strike]Myspace[/strike] Facebook picture](http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v249/71/57/1301937121/n1301937121_18002_257.jpg) to see the paleness that _everyone_ comments on. I’m different enough from “generic white girl” around here, at least, that I do get more attention than I’d think I’d get otherwise. OMFG, do you work at the snow man factory? Why are you so white?! ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/115 "2009-09-18T20:30:06Z")
> [@Camus](#): > > And as a white guy who is getting ready to move to Japan for at least 2 years or so (though not for teaching), I was a bit creeped out by the suggestion even from some women here in the States that some people over there would be anxious to introduce their daughters to me. Why would you be “creeped out” by that? It’s just part of their culture. I’m under the impression that most cultures have this kind of system, where the parents arrange for the daughter to meet a potential suitor. (Hell, I’m fairly certain that’s how my great-grandmother and great-grandfather met.) You can politely decline, but you shouldn’t think of it as creepy. I don’t think they have any ill intentions. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/116 "2009-09-18T20:32:42Z")
By the way, for a long time, the Irish were not considered “white.” [Here is one cartoon depiction](http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/ellis-island/cartoon-2.jpg) of an Irishman, probably from the mid-1800s. I’ve seen dozens of cartoons that depicted the Irish this way. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/117 "2009-09-18T20:39:05Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > OMFG, do you work at the snow man factory? Why are you so white?! Because the Carrot Function on her camera broke. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/118 "2009-09-18T20:42:52Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Because the Carrot Function on her camera broke. 😃 Wrong. The correct response would have been a _Mean Girls_ quote: “Omg, Diosa, you can’t just ask someone why they’re white! :eek:” ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/119 "2009-09-18T20:43:55Z")
Mean Girls? You want me to quote Mean Girls? Why I oughta start a whole new Pit thread just for that missy! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504/120 "2009-09-18T20:45:52Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Mean Girls? You want me to quote Mean Girls? Why I oughta start a whole new Pit thread just for that missy! Hey, it was applicable, goddamnit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/attn-losers-go-to-asia-and-get-laid/510504.md?page=7)