# Auf Wiedersehen To Kim Jong-Il **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712 "2011-12-19T05:02:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/41 "2011-12-19T13:39:07Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I fully support integrating Somalia into Canada. At least it would be warm. We’ve got [a bad history with Somalia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair), but we’ve discussed bringing [Barbados](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_provinces_and_territories_of_Canada) into the country. I still wish it were called the Confederacy instead of Confederation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/42 "2011-12-19T13:45:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Isn’t that cute, **Qin**? You’ve got your own little stalker. > > Regards, > Shodan Aw, gee, are you feeling left out? Because I never visit the pit except when Qin’s in it, of course… ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/43 "2011-12-19T13:46:38Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > In solidarity I may rename myself Vlad the TeddyBear. I’ll take **Pol Pokemon**. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/44 "2011-12-19T13:53:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m willing to bet if it had been most anyone else starting this thread, that wouldn’t have happened. If you had started this, for instance, I probably wouldn’t have commented at all. No-one’s being berated in the other threads on this, that I’ve noticed. But when it’s this particular sanctimonious little know-nothing hypocritical squirt, well, why not? So you’re admitting that it’s not really about what he writes, it’s just about who he is? I mean, he could post “Puppies are cute,” and you’d still come in and post “You’re still a little prick that shouldn’t be allowing on the big-boy internet.” And you think _he’s_ a prick? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/45 "2011-12-19T13:55:21Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > At any rate, and predictably I guess, I think dumping on **Qin** for taking a historical name is kinda petty. See, it would be different if he didn’t try and defend his namesake as a good person, and if this was his first offence in the historic name arena. And even then, I might have said nothing in this thread, but come on! That _Darth Vader_ defence? Lameness like that can’t be allowed to pass. It’s just kept rolling from that initial high spot. > [@](#): > > Because it is a little hypocritical to needle only him and not others? The others aren’t as hypocritical about it? Here he is first to be (rightly) lambasting KJI as an oppressor, when he at the same time bends over backwards in other places to defend US oppression. That, and the irony of defending the idea of Unified Chinese culture here, when having another active thread on the “Horrible Chinese”? > [@](#): > > I know he irritates you, but I think you’d come off looking better if you stuck to beating on **Qin** where he more clearly deserves it. He almost always deserves it. Don’t get me wrong, if he posts about, I dunno, his puppy dying, he’ll get some small amount of sympathy from me. Not so much when he’s just looking to be the first to gang-bang a dead dictator’s corpse. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/46 "2011-12-19T13:59:35Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > So you’re admitting that it’s not really about what he writes, it’s just about who he is? No, it’s the _combination_ > [@](#): > > I mean, he could post “Puppies are cute,” and you’d still come in and post “You’re still a little prick that shouldn’t be allowing on the big-boy internet.” No, I don’t think so > [@](#): > > And you think _he’s_ a prick? Well, so far, that’s all he is. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/47 "2011-12-19T14:00:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That, and the irony of defending the idea of Unified Chinese culture here, when having another active thread on the “Horrible Chinese”? That wasn’t him. That was some spammer called **crazybear**. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/48 "2011-12-19T14:06:18Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > That wasn’t him. That was some spammer called **crazybear**. You’re right. Got confused because my chief interaction in that thread was with **Qin** …my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/49 "2011-12-19T14:16:57Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Why wouldn’t they? Because a strong central government is evil, and usurps local control? Or so I have heard on Fox News… ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/50 "2011-12-19T14:44:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because a strong central government is evil, and usurps local control? Or so I have heard on Fox News… Yeah, what about [Warring States](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_Period)’ Rights? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/51 "2011-12-19T14:49:26Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > And you think _he’s_ a prick? Says the guy who makes other pricks look like refined Southern gentlemen. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/52 "2011-12-19T14:50:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > > > I was under the impression that the literacy rate in North Korea was actually extremely high, on the order of 99% or more. Are these numbers being inflated by the government? > > Are you suggesting the North Korean government would lie about conditions in their country? Kim Jong Il also had approval rating of [120 percent.](http://www.theonion.com/video/in-the-know-kim-jongils-approval-rating-plummets-t,14143/) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/53 "2011-12-19T15:01:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Isn’t that cute, **Qin**? You’ve got your own little stalker. > > Regards, > Shodan Shouldn’t you two be off to the showers for a “hygiene lesson”? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/54 "2011-12-19T16:01:57Z")
Despite my earlier joke, I can’t see anything controversial with what Qin posted. \*Kim Jong-Il is dead. \*He did a bad job running North Korea while he was alive. \*Here’s hoping that things get better now. \*Posting about Qin’s username in this thread is off-topic. I have to agree with those who say that anyone picking an argument with Qin over this thread is just looking to argue. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/55 "2011-12-19T16:05:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have to agree with those who say that anyone picking an argument with Qin over this thread is just looking to argue. No, this is abuse. You want 12A. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/56 "2011-12-19T16:25:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, this is abuse. You want 12A. No, you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/57 "2011-12-19T16:41:50Z")
I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to argue unless you Pit me. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/58 "2011-12-19T19:04:55Z")
I’m happy for the people of North Korea, on the theory that whoever comes next can’t possibly be any worse, but I have to say, this is a great loss for the world of golf. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/59 "2011-12-19T19:39:22Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > I’m happy for the people of North Korea, on the theory that whoever comes next can’t possibly be any worse This, boys and girls, is what’s called tempting fate. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712/60 "2011-12-19T19:57:31Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > This, boys and girls, is what’s called tempting fate. My plot is moving forward, soon I will rule North Korea \ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auf-wiedersehen-to-kim-jong-il/606712.md?page=4)