# August 2018 White Civil Rights Rally in Washington, DC. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575 "2018-06-22T15:54:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/221 "2018-08-15T16:13:25Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Oh, it is doing much more than flirting - it is actually sucking on its cock. Clearly you frequent a more interesting range of singles bars than I. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/222 "2018-08-15T17:37:09Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I recognize authoritarians and authoritarian societies when I see them, and make there be no fucking mistake: **America in 2018 is an authoritarian society, not a democratic one.** > [@Slash1972](#): > > If this is true, how are you able to post this on a public message board? To be fair, he didn’t say it **is** true, he demanded that we **make** it true. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/223 "2018-08-15T22:53:18Z")
It really [sucks to be Jason Kessler](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-charlottesville-organizer-scolded-by-father-livestream-20180815-story.html): > [@](#): > > Charlottesville rally organizer Jason Kessler lives with his parents. > > The 34-year-old white supremacist, well known for his leadership role in the deadly Unite the Right event, was filming a livestream with Patrick Little Tuesday afternoon when his father barged in started to scold him, mid-interview. > > "Hey! You get out of my room!” Kessler’s father can be heard saying in the clip… > > Kessler attempts to brush off the interruption, but his perturbed father presses on. > > “I want this to stop in my room, Jason,” he says. “This is my room.”… In fairness, I suppose I ought to come up with something sympathetic to say to a thirtysomething who’s stuck in the parental nest. Alas, the best I can come up with is, “It’s not so bad, Jason – even if you lived alone in the Taj Mahal I’ll bet you _still_ wouldn’t be getting any.” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/224 "2018-08-15T23:01:05Z")
I’m sure he’s got some sovereign citizen god given type of authority in his own bedroom, for the sake of fuck! As long as he didn’t break down crying American Nazi Boy style, then he has retained his dignity and his sovereign something or other. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/225 "2018-08-16T13:02:05Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Charlottesville rally organizer Jason Kessler lives with his parents… > "Hey! You get out of my room!” Kessler’s father can be heard saying in the clip… Wow. :eek: I’m isolated over here in the Asian jungle — Is American culture becoming as weird as it sometimes seems to this outsider? It’s very sad that the American dream is dying. For half a century after the Great Depression, Americans grew up expecting to be more prosperous than their parents, and were generally not disappointed. In recent decades this trend has reversed; 20-somethings and 30-somethings now expect to be poorer than their parents, and the fear is well-founded. America’s economy is booming but the wealth is sucked off by the kleptocrats. Even on this board I sometimes see animosity against the greedy Boomers who robbed their kids and grandkids of their birthright; too bad kids haven’t mastered Google well enough to grok the real problems. Yet I can only laugh to hear that a 34-year old Nazi leader is living with his parents, without even a pro-Nazi Dad to help nurture his hatreds. One shouldn’t laugh at the crippled, but is it OK to laugh at a Nazi cripple? Is Kessler an “incel” also? If Millennials would go to the polls and vote their pocketbooks the Kelptocrats could be turned back easily. Instead, most Millennials don’t vote at all, and a large fraction of those who do vote … support Trump. :smack: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/226 "2018-08-16T13:37:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yet I can only laugh to hear that a 34-year old Nazi leader is living with his parents, without even a pro-Nazi Dad to help nurture his hatreds. One shouldn’t laugh at the crippled, but is it OK to laugh at a Nazi cripple? Is Kessler an “incel” also? > > ( Heh, he also said his parents are “cucked”. That’s some heavy duty Loser Boy vibe there. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/227 "2018-08-16T13:49:13Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Heh, he also said his parents are “cucked”. That’s some heavy duty Loser Boy vibe there. This 34-year-old loser sponges off his parents, uses their internet connection to spew crap, and _obscenely insults them in public_ to boot? If I were the elder Kessler, this loser would be out on his sorry ass. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/228 "2018-08-17T00:32:37Z")
I’ve heard Kessler protested with Occupy Wall Street. If true, that pretty much says it all. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/229 "2018-11-30T11:27:01Z")
**Update! James Fields’ trial begins!** It’s been a busy couple of days but the trial is getting underway for James Fields - the White Shithead who drove into a crowd and killed Heather Heyer. > **[Charlottesville driver James Alex Fields Jr acted in anger, trial told](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46394995)** > > The trial opens of James Alex Fields Jr, who drove a car into a Virginia crowd in 2017, killing a woman. The prosecutor told the jury that before the Charlottesville rally, Fields had posted photos of cars plowing into protestors. The prosecution is saying that Fields came to the rally with the intent to act out the photo. OTOH, the defense is saying that the rally had descended into pitched battles and Fields believed he’d heard gunfire. They say that he drove straight into a crowd of dozens of people because it was scary. > [@BBC article above](#): > > **What did the jury hear?** > Prosecutor Nina Antony said that photographic and video evidence would show that Mr Fields’s actions were pre-meditated and not motivated by self-protection, as the defence would argue. > > She said that months before the incident, the reputed far-right sympathiser had posted pictures on Instagram showing a group of people being struck by a car. > > “On August 12, James Alex Fields Jr was here in Charlottesville with anger and images of violence fixed in his mind. The case is about his decision to act on that anger and those images,” she said. > > \ > > Defence lawyer John Hill said the rally and counter-protest had descended into pitched battles with some people armed with guns. > > He said that after his client was detained he had expressed remorse and told police that he “feared for his safety and that he was scared to death”. As I recall, Fields had first driven away, and then turned and drove back to the crowd. The defence, as the Beeb calls it, is going to have to do some mighty fast footwork, I think. … And I wonder if Sailboat and his wife are there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/230 "2018-11-30T12:35:15Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > As I recall, Fields had first driven away, and then turned and drove back to the crowd. The defence, as the Beeb calls it, is going to have to do some mighty fast footwork, I think. This is correct. > [@Merneith](#): > > And I wonder if Sailboat and his wife are there. Were they involved in the incident? I don’t recall from last summer; but I hope not. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/231 "2018-11-30T13:40:29Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This is correct. > Were they involved in the incident? I don’t recall from last summer; but I hope not. IIRC, **Sailboat** ’s wife was one of the people injured, and it wasn’t minor. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/232 "2018-11-30T17:33:23Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > IIRC, **Sailboat** ’s wife was one of the people injured, and it wasn’t minor. :(:mad: That sucks; I like **Sailboat** (and by extension, his wife). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/233 "2018-12-07T22:40:50Z")
[Convicted!](https://apnews.com/5c62bdc3126444c6a952ab9678143eba) > [@](#): > > A man who drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally in Virginia was convicted Friday of first-degree murder for killing a woman in an attack that inflamed long-simmering racial and political tensions across the country. > > A state jury rejected arguments that James Alex Fields Jr. acted in self-defense during a “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville on Aug. 12, 2017. Jurors also convicted Fields of eight other charges, including aggravated malicious wounding and hit and run. > [@](#): > > The jury will reconvene Monday to determine a sentence. Under the law, jurors can recommend from 20 years to life in prison. > > Fields is eligible for the death penalty if convicted of separate federal hate crime charges. No trial has been scheduled yet. Rest a bit easier, Miss Heyer. We’re not letting this go unnoticed. To those hurt and otherwise affected: we’ve got your backs. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/234 "2018-12-08T00:37:13Z")
I gotta say - I’m not usually one for the death penalty (it’s problematic in theory and barbaric in practice), but seeing this guy executed would send an _excellent_ signal to all the neo-nazi fucks who might want to turn their disgusting, genocidal beliefs into actions. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/235 "2018-12-08T00:41:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I gotta say - I’m not usually one for the death penalty (it’s problematic in theory and barbaric in practice), but seeing this guy executed would send an _excellent_ signal to all the neo-nazi fucks who might want to turn their disgusting, genocidal beliefs into actions. Yes and no. I do get that primal desire for vengeance and this is one of those cases where it does kick in. However, the idea of creating martyrs for the neo-nazis to rally around worries me even more. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/236 "2018-12-08T00:45:37Z")
They’re going to be equally vile and equally dangerous whether they have martyrs or not. In any case, if he spends his life in prison, he’ll continue to be part of the movement, communicate with them, and possibly influence others. I truly don’t give a fuck, I would be fine with executing this guy and any other terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/237 "2018-12-08T00:55:11Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > They’re going to be equally vile and equally dangerous whether they have martyrs or not. In any case, if he spends his life in prison, he’ll continue to be part of the movement, communicate with them, and possibly influence others. I truly don’t give a fuck, I would be fine with executing this guy and any other terrorists. Will he? Because it seems the majority want to distance themselves from him, since he made them look bad. And his access to the outside world will be limited–it’s not like he’ll be there on his computer all day or something, like he probably was before. That said, I don’t think he’d become a martyr for the same reason. And I do think the the deterrent effect is a real thing this time, since this was entirely premeditated and something he could have chosen not to do. I’m just not sure if execution has more of a deterrent effect. And there is also the possibility that forced contact with non-whites will change his tune (as has happened to a very few other Nazis) and then he becomes a great story for our side. If even he can see how stupid he was, then Nazis must be pretty stupid. So I say to keep him alive. Worry about him doing other things if he does other things. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/238 "2018-12-08T01:15:17Z")
If the death penalty is wrong, as in my opinion it is, it is always wrong. It is in precisely these kinds of cases that we need to be most vigilant about our principles. Otherwise, instead of principles we just have convenient beliefs. I will be glad if this person has the rest of his life in prison to reflect on his own principles. Perhaps he will have a moral conversion. Perhaps he will apologize. Then he can spend the rest of his life, still in prison, feeling bad about himself. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/239 "2018-12-08T02:48:30Z")
I don’t support execution, but the guy is a nazi so daily punchings are in order. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/240 "2018-12-08T02:53:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I gotta say - I’m not usually one for the death penalty (it’s problematic in theory and barbaric in practice), but seeing this guy executed would send an _excellent_ signal to all the neo-nazi fucks who might want to turn their disgusting, genocidal beliefs into actions. No, no death penalty. It’s the non-thinking man’s way out. And it doesn’t do shit as a deterrent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575.md?page=13)