# August 2018 White Civil Rights Rally in Washington, DC. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575 "2018-06-22T15:54:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/61 "2018-07-02T01:38:31Z")
Well, that’s swell, now I know when to take a weekend off to the coast. And yeah, you just know that Antifa will not be able to resist showing up. They just can’t. OTOH a mass Soul Food fest on the other side of the WH on the Ellipse… hmmmm… > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Of course, your source article just substitutes mockery for any reasoned legal analysis, because it appears to like Levant’s views on free speech. I suppose that being generous one could see an allegation made, that under the US speech-rights environment, which in the author’s opinion is the rightfully superior one, there should have been no complaint and no court date to start with. But just so, that there’s no real free speech is just one of the common tropes among the US chattersphere about many other Western countries (along with that you’ll die waiting a year for a medical procedure under socialized medicine and that criminals can just run rampant stabbing people right and left since you don’t have guns). I DO believe we have greater free speech protections and I like it like that, but it’s not like we are the Only Free Ones or like it’s absolute even here. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/62 "2018-07-02T02:03:32Z")
Exactly. Each country draws the line differently, but I’m not aware of any country that doesn’t impose some restrictions on speech, including the US. For example, you have: • attorney client privilege, which restricts the free speech of lawyers; • national security secrecy laws, which restrict the free speech of those in the military and government; • insider trading laws, which restrict the free speech of business folk; • court ordered publication restrictions, which restrict the free speech of lawyers, witnesses and complainants; • libel and slander laws, which impose financial liability for certain free speech. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/63 "2018-07-02T17:01:01Z")
> [@HelenTroy](#): > > This is a whole lot of words in no way rebutting what was said. Human trafficking is immensely more an issue for people of color than white people, although not exclusively. To take a pitting against white supremacists and make it all BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE WOMENS is offensive and I say that as a white woman. Here, in this country which is the one we’re currently discussing, white women continue to benefit from privilege and speaking loudly to quiet minority voices instead of amplifying them. > > Whataboutism is a political cancer that is giving me a twitchy eye. Yeah, if this was really all about promoting the civil rights of white women, you think you would have actually seen some at the last protest. But from the [photographs](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1321&bih=799&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=0Fk6W9KTHI30zgKQoJPIAw&q=charlottesville+white+nationalist&oq=charlottesville+white&gs_l=img.1.0.0l9.7336.8040.0.11658.5.3.0.2.2.0.146.348.0j3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.5.430....0.pPgdYgUK84o)they appear to be around 98% male. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/64 "2018-07-03T02:30:20Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Yeah, if this was really all about promoting the civil rights of white women, you think you would have actually seen some at the last protest. But from the [photographs](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1321&bih=799&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=0Fk6W9KTHI30zgKQoJPIAw&q=charlottesville+white+nationalist&oq=charlottesville+white&gs_l=img.1.0.0l9.7336.8040.0.11658.5.3.0.2.2.0.146.348.0j3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.5.430....0.pPgdYgUK84o)they appear to be around 98% male. Blood and soil. It’s all about helping injured farmers 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/65 "2018-07-03T03:18:57Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > A ‘hate speech’ system is not about preventing incitement to violence which is already prohibited in the US. **It’s about banning speech that’s democratically (in the context of democracies) decided to have no redeeming value.** People in favor of that concept should not obfuscate it by claiming it’s all about incitement to violence, then twisting and stretching the definition of ‘incitement’. They should just admit it’s about banning nearly universally disagreed with opinions on sensitive topics for the good of society as a whole as they see it. That’s what it is. I disagree with that concept, I think the slippery slope problem is just too big. This is a fair comment. I would just say that the passage in your comment that I’ve bolded is exactly the basis that the Supreme Court of Canada has upheld the hate propaganda offence (which is different from the incitement to genocide offence, which has a violence component). The leading case on point is [R. v. Keegstra, [1990] 3 S.C.R. 697](https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/695/index.do). Speaking for the majority, the Chief Justice has justified the provision in exactly the terms you suggest. You likely don’t agree, but the debate on this point is on that approach, not an incitement to violence. > [@Chief Justice Dickson](#): > > In my opinion, it would be impossible to deny that Parliament’s objective in enacting s. 319(2)  is of the utmost importance. Parliament has recognized the substantial harm that can flow from hate propaganda, and in trying to prevent the pain suffered by target group members and to reduce racial, ethnic and religious tension in Canada has decided to suppress the wilful promotion of hatred against identifiable groups. > … > The suppression of hate propaganda undeniably muzzles the participation of a few individuals in the democratic process, and hence detracts somewhat from free expression values, but the degree of this limitation is not substantial. I am aware that the use of strong language in political and social debate – indeed, perhaps even language intended to promote hatred – is an unavoidable part of the democratic process. Moreover, I recognize that hate propaganda is expression of a type which would generally be categorized as “political”, thus putatively placing it at the very heart of the principle extolling freedom of expression as vital to the democratic process. Nonetheless, expression can work to undermine our commitment to democracy where employed to propagate ideas anathemic to democratic values. Hate propaganda works in just such a way, arguing as it does for a society in which the democratic process is subverted and individuals are denied respect and dignity simply because of racial or religious characteristics. This brand of expressive activity is thus wholly inimical to the democratic aspirations of the free expression guarantee. > … > I am very reluctant to attach anything but the highest importance to expression relevant to political matters. But given the unparalleled vigour with which hate propaganda repudiates and undermines democratic values, and in particular its condemnation of the view that all citizens need be treated with equal respect and dignity so as to make participation in the political process meaningful, I am unable to see the protection of such expression as integral to the democratic ideal so central to the s. 2(b) rationale. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/66 "2018-08-08T20:23:37Z")
So this “rally” is now just a few days away, if indeed it is going to happen. I’ve been watching for any news of it other than on a right-wing site or something, but I see little or nothing about it so far. I did see a related story that I thought people would find interesting, tho: [State of emergency declared ahead of Charlottesville anniversary](https://apnews.com/31c3bf14ab5f4f0785f0a946e246ed20) > [@](#): > > Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam and the city of Charlottesville on Wednesday proactively declared a state of emergency ahead of the one-year anniversary of a violent white nationalist rally that left one person dead and dozens of others injured. > > Officials said the declaration would streamline state and local operations this weekend while also allocating $2 million in state funds. The declaration authorizes the Virginia National Guard to assist in security efforts. > > Law enforcement officials said there will be a heavy police presence meant to deter any violence. > > Virginia State Police Superintendent Gary Settle said more than 700 state police will be activated during the weekend and “state police is fully prepared to act” to prevent any incidents like last year. Might be a bit over the top, IMO, since AFAIK there are no plans for any white supremacists to go to Charlottesville, but I think most of us would rather see them err on the side of caution and people not being dead, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/67 "2018-08-08T20:32:23Z")
They probably just want to look more proactive after fumbling the ball first time around. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/68 "2018-08-08T21:00:54Z")
Apparently, Metro had been pondering running separate (but equal!) white nationalist cars for the rally, but decided against it > **[Metro: No ‘special train’ for ‘Unite the Right’ rally in DC - WTOP News](https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/2018/08/metro-no-special-train-for-unite-the-right-rally-in-dc/)** > > In a statement Monday, Metro said it continues to work with law enforcement agencies on security surrounding Sunday's "Unite the Right" rally in D.C. that comes one year after the violent protests in… > **[Metro considering separate trains for white nationalists attending ‘Unite the...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/08/03/metro-considering-private-trains-for-white-nationalists-attending-unite-the-right-rally-union-says/)** > > "We haven't made any decisions about anything," the transit's board chairman says. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/69 "2018-08-08T21:03:58Z")
Putting it behind a spoiler because it is a leak of the Charlottesville leaders chats. Typically they will do their best to bait people into fighting but besides being a powder keg DC is less likely to erupt. [Message from @MadDimension | DiscordLeaks](https://discordleaks.unicornriot.ninja/discord/view/222307?q=bait#msg) There is also a Facebook leak that shows that they often > [@](#): > > Jason Kessler > We can put out a bunch of these boomer bait memes around the time of the rally Here is an example of their work. [https://s3.amazonaws.com/facebookleaks/34063338\_961021934075544\_1100308288374833152\_n\_961021930742211.png](https://s3.amazonaws.com/facebookleaks/34063338_961021934075544_1100308288374833152_n_961021930742211.png) And they are trying to make sure Fox and some of the right stay on their side. > [@](#): > > Jason Kessler > Can we switch the text and use an image without a Roman Salute? That would be an effective meme. They do want to avoid violence but will have some pretty violent people in reserves. > [@](#): > > Dave Shyne > Well, I think we’ll be able to tell pretty quickly whether they are actually going to do their job. We have some highly trained security guys this time around. If it looks bad, we will just roll to DC. We can’t have anyone on either side hurt this time It may escalate, but they are trying to keep their heads down due to legal problems and their need to attract ‘normies’ and ‘soft-right’ types to their cause. Be safe if you go to DC, hopefully they keep being really bad at ops-sec and their bigotry can continue to be exposed. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/70 "2018-08-08T21:10:42Z")
To clarify “Jason Kessler” is the pseudonym for the permit holder in DC. I don’t know if you have the same ‘_black bloc_’ problem on your side but do try to self-police. Typically it is the ‘_black bloc_’ folks that cause problems on the West coast even if it is pinned on the antifa groups. I am not antifa but I know that most of them over here try to vet for that problem not that it helps when the Proud Boys win in the media due to the actions of the black bloc. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/71 "2018-08-09T15:04:44Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH a mass Soul Food fest on the other side of the WH on the Ellipse… hmmmm… “[Ku Klux Klan serve hot soul food](https://youtu.be/Mb3F9GTbaJw)” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/72 "2018-08-09T16:05:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Apparently, Metro had been pondering running separate (but equal!) white nationalist cars for the rally, but decided against it > [Metro: No ‘special train’ for ‘Unite the Right’ rally in DC - WTOP News](https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/2018/08/metro-no-special-train-for-unite-the-right-rally-in-dc/) > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/08/03/metro-considering-private-trains-for-white-nationalists-attending-unite-the-right-rally-union-says/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/08/03/metro-considering-private-trains-for-white-nationalists-attending-unite-the-right-rally-union-says/) Metro does deny the claim that it was considering a rally-specific train. But to make things even sweeter, beginning Saturday and for 2 weeks, 3 of the 4 Metro lines from NoVA to the DC core will be having major construction, one not crossing the river at all, two running at like 1/4 capacity, and a number of stations closed or being skipped by the lines on weekends — Metro is actually posting that people along those lines should AVOID using the trains unless they have no choice. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/73 "2018-08-11T04:19:20Z")
Much as I’d love to see these fuckers jammed into a single Metro car with broken air-conditioning, the odds that any of these good ol’ boys would descend from their coal-rolling truck-nutted F150s to ride the socialist subway with “them” is about the same as me winning the lottery without a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/74 "2018-08-11T11:18:12Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Exactly. Each country draws the line differently, but I’m not aware of any country that doesn’t impose some restrictions on speech, including the US. > > For example, you have: > > • attorney client privilege, which restricts the free speech of lawyers; > > • national security secrecy laws, which restrict the free speech of those in the military and government; > > • insider trading laws, which restrict the free speech of business folk; > > • court ordered publication restrictions, which restrict the free speech of lawyers, witnesses and complainants; > > • libel and slander laws, which impose financial liability for certain free speech. And one that we’re all probably aware of in this day and age: copyright, which imposed civil and criminal liability for speech that substantially copies other speech While it can stand some reform in the opinion of many, the vast majority support this restriction. See also patents and trademarks. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/75 "2018-08-11T14:29:30Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > In Lafayette Park, you say? I wonder what would happen if 100,000 random citizens of DC decided to have a picnic in Lafayette Park and got there really early? So that there wasn’t room for the Nazis to rally. Baseball, football, BBQ, a few live bands, whatever it takes to completely fill the park. That would be amazing 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/76 "2018-08-11T14:31:21Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Is this associated with that wuss motherfucker that was talking all that shit for the cameras before the rally, then turned into a cry baby asshole later when he found out the cops wanted to speak with him? What became of that douchebag? > While I’m here, fuck that asshole, fuck pampered ass kahki nazis, I hope the rally is struck by an earthquake and all of those fucksticks have their spines snapped falling into the earth and then get buried in a torrent of tiki torches, flags, stones and mud. > Then the spot is spat upon. I think it’s him. And I feel the same way you do. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/77 "2018-08-11T14:35:10Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Somebody should gather a shit-ton of tuba and sousaphone players to encircle the perimeter of the square and play [this guy’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqbVbGFl2PI) music for the duration of the rally. > > I’d contribute to a Kickstarter to fund them. Genius, in action 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/78 "2018-08-11T14:40:23Z")
It’s already 10:40am in Washington DC and I can’t find a single story online about this supposed rally. In fact, I couldn’t find any new stories yesterday either; the last anyone wrote about it was Thursday, apparently. > [@rat\_avatar](#): > > To clarify “Jason Kessler” is the pseudonym for the permit holder in DC. That’s a pseudonym? I did not know that; I thought it was his real name. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/79 "2018-08-11T19:07:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It’s already 10:40am in Washington DC and I can’t find a single story online about this supposed rally. In fact, I couldn’t find any new stories yesterday either; the last anyone wrote about it was Thursday, apparently.That’s a pseudonym? I did not know that; I thought it was his real name. I deleted another quote and missed that word on my edit. Sorry an editing error. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575/80 "2018-08-12T05:55:17Z")
10:52pm PST and still no news of todays “rally” when I google [white civil rights rally washington DC](https://www.google.com/search?q=white+civil+rights+rally+washington+DC&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT0s6QneXcAhWHjlQKHXZyAyEQ_AUICigB&biw=1272&bih=943) and then hit “News”. Not sure if everyone is just blanking it or if it didn’t happen or what. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/august-2018-white-civil-rights-rally-in-washington-dc/816575.md?page=5)