# Avengers 4 speculation thread \[Infinity War spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364 "2018-04-13T20:42:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/1 "2018-04-13T20:42:23Z")
With the release of Avengers: Inifinity War two weeks away, and the Marvel folks saying that the reason the title of Avengers 4 is unrevealed is because it will spoil main points of A:IW, I’m guessing it won’t be that long after the release that the Avengers 4 title is revealed. I’m sure some folks here have some interesting theories as to the title and nature of the next movie, so I thought maybe we could swap ideas before the big reveal. My guess: Avengers: The Time Conqueror, or Avengers: Lost in Time Reasons: [ul] [li]Of well-known Avengers enemies, Kang is probably the biggest to not have appeared in the MCU[/li][li]Time travel could open up the MCU to possibilities beyond super-heroes - Old West, GotG 30th century, etc[/li][li]The mechanism for time travel is certainly present in A:IW, and an ending that causes many or all of the heroes to disappear could look very fatal while actually being (ooh, plot twist!) time displacement[/li][li]Carol Danvers’s movie takes place between A:IW and A4, and Immortus (an alter-ego of Kang, also heavy on the time travel) is heavily involved in her comics story[/li][/ul] What do you think? What do you guess? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/2 "2018-04-13T20:45:25Z")
I’m thinking it’s Secret Invasion. I think Hawkeye, Ant Man & the Wasp and Captain Marvel will be involved in some sort of secret mission involving the Skrulls and something about it will be the key to defeating Thanos and it will also uncover the Skrull imposters in our governments and in the Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/3 "2018-04-13T21:02:19Z")
Secret Wars! Bring on The Beyonder. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/4 "2018-04-14T00:19:16Z")
Common belief is the that the subtitle is a spoiler in and of itself so a lot of speculation is that the title will refer to a popular story. Going rumor is Avengers: Annihilation or Disassembled. I personally think it will be just “The New Avengers” and be Hawkeye assembling a new team after everyone else goes missing–this new team has do some fetch quest and then go after Thanos and then set things right. Set photo stuff leading to speculation- We know from set photos that Tony is around (frosted tips!) and we see Avengers 1 Cap alongside new costume Ant-Man…so there’s some time hijinx going on. I think we’re going to see an alternate timeline where Tony doesn’t build the suit maybe or maybe gave it up and got involved SHIELD directly since he’s seen where SHIELD logos on his clothes. Maybe it will be Secret Invasion and see how the Hydra coup would have played out differently. Fury is killed. Cap is replaced by the Skrull. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/5 "2018-04-14T00:34:45Z")
Definitely “New Avengers.” The body count at the end of “Infinity War” is going to be huge, and some of them won’t be saved by the events of “Avengers 4.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/6 "2018-04-14T01:15:17Z")
The villain is going to be Thanos, infinity war ends with him snapping his fingers. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/7 "2018-04-14T01:15:55Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Definitely “New Avengers.” The body count at the end of “Infinity War” is going to be huge, and some of them won’t be saved by the events of “Avengers 4.” That wouldn’t be much of a spoiler though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/8 "2018-04-14T02:59:04Z")
I wrote this in another thread but I believe Thanos will get defeated in this Movie at a huge cost but the Red Skull (who was teleported into space at the end of the first CA movie) will pick up the Gauntlet and be the antagonist of the next movie. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/9 "2018-04-14T03:52:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The villain is going to be Thanos, infinity war ends with him snapping his fingers. That’s my thought - (almost) all of the heroes will be killed at the end of Infinity War. I won’t even try to guess at this point which will be brought back\*, who will carry over, and who will be added from the current roster, except (probably) Captain Marvel… \*and how, for that matter. IIRC, James Gunn has said that Warlock won’t be in either of these movies. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/10 "2018-04-18T04:01:00Z")
[A hint that my theory might be correct](https://www.cbr.com/avengers-4-older-cassie-lang/) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/11 "2018-04-30T16:56:23Z")
Sooooo… now that Infinity War is out… speculation based on the end of Infinity War and some set photos… [spoiler] I predict part 4 opens with “…5 years later.” We see Earth rebuilding maybe even thriving after the 50% decrease. We see a new avengers team made up Iron Man (actually Rhodey in a gold/red armor), Antman, Wasp and a rebuilt Vision (the emotionless ‘white’ version) and Hawkeye back under the Ronin persona–angry and bitter (his whole family was ashed). Tony is retired (traumatized) and raising a kid with Pepper. (I think the “Avengers 1 costumes” set photos are Tony using his ‘way back’ machine to relive their triumphs)SHIELD is back under Commander Rogers. Black Widow is back to being a field agent. Everything seems okay on Earth… people are struggling to get over it, but are. Everyone kind of accepts the defeat because…what can they do? But Space is a nightmare–a warzone. There’s a Galactic Avengers with Thor, Rocket, Nebula and Captain Marvel, I’d throw Banner up there for SCIENCE! They are trying to maintain order and search for Thanos. Not sure how it will go down, but we’ll definitely see the original Avengers come together again and be the crux of the battle–essentially the choice will be to rewind time to the moment before the _snap_ and stop Thanos–so everything after never happens. Tony is hesitant because his child will cease to exist… and one of them must sacrifice themselves of course. Tony will be ready to do it to atone, but Steve will step in and do it. His death will be the only one that sticks. The original Avengers are the only ones that remember the post _snap_ timeline. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/12 "2018-04-30T17:07:32Z")
I definitely think there will be a time-travel element. I think Captain Marvel will play a big part of saving the day, and I think it’s possible the entire setup of Infinity War was to get Fury to page Captain Marvel for that “1 in 14 million” shot. I think a vast majority of people that lived in Infinity War will die, permanently in the next movie, and nearly all the people dusted in Infinity War will be resurrected. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/13 "2018-04-30T17:08:41Z")
I’m guessing the still-secret and spoilery title is _Avengers 4: All Those Characters We Killed Off Are Coming Back, We Promise._ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/14 "2018-04-30T17:15:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The villain is going to be Thanos, infinity war ends with him snapping his fingers. I just want to point out this was an educated guess and not prior knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/15 "2018-04-30T18:04:44Z")
I do like the current theory of “Avengers: Endgame” based on Dr. Strange’s last line. It also calls back to the scene from “Age of Ultron”: > [@](#): > > ``` > Tony: Recall that? A hostile alien army came charging in through a hole in space…we're standing 300 feet below it. We're the Avengers. We can bust arms dealers all the live-long day, but…that up there? That's the endgame. How were you guys planning on beating that? > Steve: Together. > Tony: We'll lose. > Steve: Then we'll do that together, too. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/16 "2018-04-30T18:49:29Z")
I think the next Avengers will focus on the core characters (the original Avengers). [spoiler]It’s not an accident they were the survivors. Of course the events of this movie will be over written. I predict a Back to the Future 2 esque time travel story where the older characters interact with events from Movies that have already happened. Also as many have said, Doctor Strange allowed what happened to happen because he saw it was the only way they would ultimately win. I was happy to see The Red Skull (I was half right) but who knew the evil Nazi would get all mellow. He may play a role in 4 but not the roll I thought he would.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/17 "2018-05-01T00:40:27Z")
[Moderating] Remember, this thread is for speculation, not spoilers, and things like who dies and who doesn’t are definitely spoilers. EDIT: And please be very careful about that. I’m trying to avoid spoilers myself, and that’s very tough if I have to go in and add spoiler tags. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/18 "2018-05-01T12:18:27Z")
Oops I’m really sorry. I assumed this would be for people who saw Infinity War but that was dumb on my part. Thanks for editing and I apologize if someone was spoiled for the current movie. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/19 "2018-05-01T14:20:06Z")
May as well change the title of this thread to indicate spoilers for Avengers 3, since there’d be little point speculating on Avengers 4 without discussing the new information. ---
**Author:** ![Serenata67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/serenata67/32/10646_2.png) [@Serenata67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Serenata67)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/20 "2018-05-01T15:41:43Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I think the next Avengers will focus on the core characters (the original Avengers). It’s not an accident they were the survivors. Of course the events of this movie will be over written. I predict a Back to the Future 2 esque time travel story where the older characters interact with events from Movies that have already happened. … [eta: I took the spoiler out of the quote because it wasn’t hiding while in the quote for some reason. It’s Quimby’s spoiler and quote] I would love to see that kind of a storyline. It may help to explain where the heck Captain Marvel has been hiding out all this time… and why she was never summoned during the previous Avengers-level incidents. Maybe if the events of Avengers 1 never happened because Carol was called, then maybe Loki wouldn’t have had dealings with Thanos… who knows. Plus, it would be so easy to set up various Easter Eggs, throw-back jokes, etc. (Carol: “I’ve been locked away for so long. I could really go for some schwarma.” Tony: “I know a place.”) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=2)