# Avengers 4 speculation thread \[Infinity War spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364 "2018-04-13T20:42:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/41 "2018-05-06T23:30:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, _sure_ the deaths are real. I believe they are absolutely real, within the context of the fictional Marvel Cinematic Universe. Thing is, also established within that universe is a device that can rewrite reality, and whatever it rewrites reality _to_, then \*that \*will be absolutely real within the context of fictional Marvel Cinematic Universe. > > Personally, I think Marvel Studios is about as likely to permanently kill off the MCU Black Panther and Spider-Man as they are to seek a permit to cordon off Times Square, assemble a huge pile of hundred-dollar bills totaling at least $500 million, and setting fire to it. I agree with this. I think it’s very likely that Avengers 4 will be the last ride for Downey, Hemsworth, Evans, and Ruffalo, at a minimum. But, I do think that those who have been dusted will, generally, be somehow returned – but for an additional reason beyond Marvel / Disney being unlikely to kill off popular characters (played by popular actors). The other reason is this, and it has nothing to do with the dead Avengers: Thanos just killed 3.8 billion humans on Earth; there’s a 50/50 chance that MCU you, and MCU me, have been disintegrated. It’s one thing for a comic-book movie to depict an alien race being devastated, or even an Earth city or region to be heavily damaged (New York City, Sokovia, etc.) But, permanently wiping out unfathomable numbers of humans on Earth hits home in a way that those just don’t, and, IMO, is darker than Marvel tends to go. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/42 "2018-05-06T23:36:57Z")
I suspect many will be revived - but there will be a heavy price to pay. I believe that Stark and/or Cap will end up sacrificing themselves in some way to bring some or all of those “dusted” back. It’s certainly easy for me to imagine Stark giving up his life to bring back Parker; Stark was acting as a mentor and father-figure to Parker, or at least trying to. Stark has been carrying a shit-ton of guilt and dread since the first Avenger movie; add in Stark’s daddy issues, and I think he’ll be willing to lay down on that wire\*, once he realizes there’s no way to cut it. Cap? Well, he’s just Cap. Give him the option, and he’ll do it. \*Remember that exchange between Cap and Stark in the first Avengers? > [@](#): > > Steve Rogers: I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I’ve seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You’re not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you. > Tony Stark: I think I would just cut the wire. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/43 "2018-05-06T23:42:17Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Contracts can be re-negotiated (in secret even). I’m sure for a big enough pile of cash (or a different movie instead) Sony could be brought around if they did want to move onto to Miles Morales Spider Man. Black Panther is whoever is the king and wears the suit, so its possible Black Panther is back, but different actor and different King. > . No, none of that is going to happen. Too much money to be lost. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/44 "2018-05-07T00:05:15Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Does Agent 13 (Sharon Carter) count? She’s nowhere to be seen in A:IW, and still alive as far as I’m aware. Valkyrie probably deserves mention. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/45 "2018-05-07T00:22:09Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Valkyrie probably deserves mention. As well as Sif (missing from Thor: Ragnarok, as well; ISTR either the director, or Kevin Feige, explicitly stating that she wasn’t on Asgard when it was destroyed). ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/46 "2018-05-07T09:01:01Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > I suspect many will be revived - but there will be a heavy price to pay. I believe that Stark and/or Cap will end up sacrificing themselves in some way to bring some or all of those “dusted” back. It’s certainly easy for me to imagine Stark giving up his life to bring back Parker; Stark was acting as a mentor and father-figure to Parker, or at least trying to. Stark has been carrying a shit-ton of guilt and dread since the first Avenger movie; add in Stark’s daddy issues, and I think he’ll be willing to lay down on that wire\*, once he realizes there’s no way to cut it. > > Cap? Well, he’s just Cap. Give him the option, and he’ll do it. > \*Remember that exchange between Cap and Stark in the first Avengers? Yeah, but Tony proved him wrong by flying a nuke through a hole in space with no real expectation of surviving. I’m predicting they find a way to unsnap the fingers, but only the dusted will return; then there will be a huge conflict between Thor and Strange. Thor will want to rewind just a few more hours to recover Loki, Heimdall and scores of Asgardians, and Strange will be ‘nope, temporal prime directive, yadda yadda yadda.’ ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/47 "2018-05-07T17:04:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Personally, I think Marvel Studios is about as likely to permanently kill off the MCU Black Panther and Spider-Man as they are to seek a permit to cordon off Times Square, assemble a huge pile of hundred-dollar bills totaling at least $500 million, and setting fire to it. Especially given that Sony still has a major interest in Spider-Man. To draw a metaphor from the Distinguished Competition, they aren’t going to be impressed by the argument that Marvel is just setting fire to their half of the pile. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/48 "2018-05-07T18:10:27Z")
What I want to see in the next Avengers movie: Rocket: The name’s Rocket. Captain America: Rocket Raccoon? Good to meet you. Rocket: See? This guy gets it. I’m not a rabbit and I’m not a stinking trash panda. Captain America: Rocket Raccoon, like the Beetles song. I understand that reference. Rocket: What? No. What the hell are you talking about? Or something along those lines. The writers can work it a little to fit the scene. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/49 "2018-05-07T18:19:05Z")
Cap wouldn’t get a Beatles reference, unless he’s caught up on them after waking up. His time as a Capsicle was from 1945 through 2010 (give or take). ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/50 "2018-05-07T18:34:18Z")
And Rocket got pissed off when Star Prince called him a raccoon in the first GotG. Or at least denied it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/51 "2018-05-07T18:49:05Z")
Here’s how the movie will start: A rehash of the scene where Nick’s beeper sends a signal to Captain Marvel…cutting to the image of her beeper on the ground lighting up as her ashes are swept away by the wind. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/52 "2018-05-07T19:06:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here’s how the movie will start: A rehash of the scene where Nick’s beeper sends a signal to Captain Marvel…cutting to the image of her beeper on the ground lighting up as her ashes are swept away by the wind. Only to be picked up by Ralph Hinkley. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/53 "2018-05-07T20:44:58Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > And Rocket got pissed off when Star Prince called him a raccoon in the first GotG. Or at least denied it. Well yeah, but he certainly isn’t a rabbit or a trash panda. > [@cmkeller](#): > > Cap wouldn’t get a Beatles reference, unless he’s caught up on them after waking up. His time as a Capsicle was from 1945 through 2010 (give or take). Right, but he’s also catching up on the things that he missed (see his meet cute with Sam Wilson in The Winter Soldier) and the “I understand that reference” calls back to his line in Marvel’s The Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/54 "2018-05-07T20:49:52Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Well yeah, but he certainly isn’t a rabbit or a trash panda. He doesn’t believe he is a raccoon or even know what a raccoon is. > [@](#): > > Peter Quill: A lot of people has been trying to kill me over the years. I’m not going to be brought down by a tree and a talking raccoon. > > Rocket Raccoon: Hold up! What’s a raccoon? > > Peter Quill: What’s a raccoon? You stupid. > > Rocket Raccoon: Ain’t no thing like me, except me! ---
**Author:** ![HowSoonIsThen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@HowSoonIsThen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HowSoonIsThen)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/55 "2018-05-08T04:18:28Z")
Possible derail (I can start a new thread if people think this drifts too far): What is the future of the mcu after Avengers 4? Thanos will inevitably be defeated, and it’s very likely (almost certain) that a few of the original mcu avengers won’t survive. So what next? Obviously there’s a shit ton of Spider-man stories to be told (though if Sony has any say I just have to accept the Venom story will never be done right) and plenty of lesser known heroes that could be introduced. but what are the future team up movies they could make? If Marvel makes a Fantastic Four film, we could get Doctor Doom and eventually Galactus. Anyone more knowledgeable in marvel have any idea where these films will go? Because they’re surely going to keep making them Until they stop making money (which is a long way down the track imho). ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/56 "2018-05-08T05:02:31Z")
X-Men. Marvel has the rights to them now so expect to see them coming into the MCU. I guess they’ll come up with some in universe explanation for why we haven’t seen any of them up to now, they were all in hiding for some reason maybe? I’d also expect Punisher, Deadpool, Luke Cage and Iron Fist to appear in the MCU pretty soon maybe just as cameos? I also expect given the success of Dr Strange and the GotG movies for them to go off more into the “cosmic” side of the Marvel universe. Silver Surfer seems like a safe bet for a future movie and there is loads of cosmic beings he can fight. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/57 "2018-05-08T05:07:43Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I’d also expect Punisher, Deadpool, Luke Cage and Iron Fist to appear in the MCU pretty soon maybe just as cameos? Punisher, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist are part of Marvel Studios’ TV offerings and hence ostensibly part of the MCU along with Jessica Jones and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/58 "2018-05-08T05:19:15Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Punisher, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist are part of Marvel Studios’ TV offerings and hence ostensibly part of the MCU along with Jessica Jones and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Yes, I meant I expect to see them crossing over into the films at some point, maybe same actors, maybe not. And Agent Coulson returning… I hope anyway! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/59 "2018-05-08T15:23:53Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Yes, I meant I expect to see them crossing over into the films at some point, maybe same actors, maybe not. And Agent Coulson returning… I hope anyway! Agent Coulson is the one the Avengers united to avenge, I seriously doubt they undo that. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/60 "2018-05-08T15:31:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Agent Coulson is the one the Avengers united to avenge, I seriously doubt they undo that. Well, he’s been alive and well in _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ for five seasons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=4)