# Avengers 4 speculation thread \[Infinity War spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364 "2018-04-13T20:42:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/81 "2018-05-11T22:11:49Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > the time crystal. Reverse time and stop it all from happening. Except the only guy who knows how to use it is one of the guys who got disintegrated. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/82 "2018-05-11T22:23:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Except the only guy who knows how to use it is one of the guys who got disintegrated. Iron man is a genius, He will figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/83 "2018-05-11T23:35:39Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > the time crystal. Reverse time and stop it all from happening. Thanos should never have gotten the Mind Stone. When he used the Time Stone to reverse things and reconstruct Vision, the first thing that should have happened was Thanos should have stopped using the Time Stone. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/84 "2018-05-11T23:52:14Z")
> [@Harrington](#): > > Thanos should never have gotten the Mind Stone. When he used the Time Stone to reverse things and reconstruct Vision, the first thing that should have happened was Thanos should have stopped using the Time Stone. While the Time Stone presumably could manipulate time on a universal scale, every time we’ve seen it used,\* it’s been to reverse time in a localized field that separates the objects inside from being affected by causality as we understand it. In _Dr. Strange_, when Strange is experimenting with the Time Stone, he uses it to age and de-age an apple, without affecting his own position in the time stream - when he reverses time on the apple, he doesn’t reverse time for himself to the point before he started messing with the apple. Thanos is doing the same thing to Vision. He’s not reversing time globally - just for the pocket of space-time the Vision is inhabiting, so Thanos himself isn’t affected, and can set him self up to rip the stone out of Vision’s head. Which raises the question - if he’d used the Time Stone to reverse time again, could he have gotten a _second_ Mind Stone? \*Possibly excepting when Strange used it to defeat Dormammu. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/85 "2018-12-07T13:17:57Z")
Well, the first trailer is finally here, and the winner is… enalzi and WordMan! Avengers: Endgame will be the next movie’s title. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/86 "2018-12-07T13:26:57Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/hA6hldpSTF8/maxresdefault.jpg "Marvel Studios' Avengers - Official Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA6hldpSTF8) Woot! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/87 "2018-12-07T13:37:37Z")
Endgame is a cool title. And that’s a great teaser – especially loved seeing Hawkeye as Ronin. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/88 "2018-12-07T14:03:21Z")
Yeah, Endgame is a perfect title. I can’t wait. Now, considering the release date, when should I start my MCU viewfest if I wanted to watch one movie a week leading up to this? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/89 "2018-12-07T14:21:49Z")
Essentially right now. 147 days. 21 weeks. 20 movies. Plus Captain Marvel in March. Get crackin’. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/90 "2018-12-07T14:34:23Z")
You can skip the Hulk standalone – that’s the only one I’ve never had any desire to watch again. Even the other weak ones (Thor 1 and 2 and Iron Man 2, IMO) still had several very enjoyable scenes and moments. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/91 "2018-12-07T14:36:55Z")
Check that in the trailer, Banner is looking at screens, probably of the missing. Spider-Man is on screen. They don’t know he’s dusted because he was off-planet. Scott Lang is there, and from Cap and Nat’s reaction they didn’t know he was still around. Maybe it takes time to get out of the Quantum Realm. And Shuri is there. She’s the only one we don’t know the fate of. I just checked and she’s not shown as being dusted. And she could be a big help figuring things out. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/92 "2018-12-07T14:50:07Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Scott Lang is there, and from Cap and Nat’s reaction they didn’t know he was still around. Maybe it takes time to get out of the Quantum Realm. Yeah. Watching the trailer, I’d say that they’re surprised to see Lang because everyone just assumed he was part of the snaptured 50%, since he basically disappeared at the same time. I also got the feeling that Lang didn’t know what happened while he was gone. If his daughter is gone, that’s going to be a huge motivating force for him. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/93 "2018-12-07T14:54:42Z")
How did Scott get out of the Phantom Zone, er Quantum Realm? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/94 "2018-12-07T14:58:54Z")
Gotta say that I can’t wait to see how all the different pieces get moved back together for the end of the movie. I also am apprehensive about this movie, because it’s essentially the end of all the threads we’ve been enjoying in the more-than-one-movie heroes. Such a big part of this franchise has been Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scar-Jo, and Mark Ruffalo. How does Marvel move beyond that cast, when this is done? How do you re-load when you’ve essentially taken your best shot? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/95 "2018-12-07T15:04:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > How did Scott get out of the Phantom Zone, er Quantum Realm? I think that is going to be part of The Plan. _How do you re-load when you’ve essentially taken **your best shot**?_ You start by not assuming your best shot is in the past. Remember, when Phase 1 started Marvel was playing with a bunch of B-List characters. It turned them into giants. Who knows what is going to happen when they finally get to play with their A-Listers? Or they might make a Squirrel Girl movie. Who knows? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/96 "2018-12-07T15:35:34Z")
Jonathan Chance: > [@](#): > > Check that in the trailer, Banner is looking at screens, probably of the missing. > > Spider-Man is on screen. They don’t know he’s dusted because he was off-planet. > > Scott Lang is there, and from Cap and Nat’s reaction they didn’t know he was still around. Maybe it takes time to get out of the Quantum Realm. I thought that he was just continuing to grasp the existence of both a Spider-Man _and_ an Ant-Man. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/97 "2018-12-07T15:56:18Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Gotta say that I can’t wait to see how all the different pieces get moved back together for the end of the movie. > > I also am apprehensive about this movie, because it’s essentially the end of all the threads we’ve been enjoying in the more-than-one-movie heroes. Such a big part of this franchise has been Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scar-Jo, and Mark Ruffalo. How does Marvel move beyond that cast, when this is done? How do you re-load when you’ve essentially taken your best shot? Every single new character they’ve added has been just as popular as the originals if not more. The movies are getting more entertaining and more profitable. Besides, I don’t think we are losing any of those except Evans. Hell, Black Widow is up for her stand alone film and Thor 3 was the best of the bunch, and Loki is getting his own show, I doubt they stop there. ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/98 "2018-12-07T16:01:42Z")
Thor looking guilty as hell. It wasn’t just dejection in that sullen face. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/99 "2018-12-07T16:15:52Z")
He should look guilty. He had the best shot to stop Thanos and he flubbed it. Not like he knew any better, but he’d still blame himself. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/100 "2018-12-07T16:55:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I think that is going to be part of The Plan. > > _How do you re-load when you’ve essentially taken **your best shot**?_ > > You start by not assuming your best shot is in the past. Remember, when Phase 1 started Marvel was playing with a bunch of B-List characters. It turned them into giants. Who knows what is going to happen when they finally get to play with their A-Listers? > > Or they might make a Squirrel Girl movie. Who knows? Yeah, Feige has said they’ll go in a different direction with Phase 4. So who knows what’s going to happen. Maybe it’ll be more cosmic with Captain Marvel, the Eternals and Adam Warlock interspersed with more personal, smaller things like Spider-Man and Black Widow. All I really want is a She Hulk movie. Is that too much to ask? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=6)