# Avengers 4 speculation thread \[Infinity War spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364 "2018-04-13T20:42:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/141 "2018-12-11T22:18:08Z")
Is not-a-bow-but-now-with-a-sword Hawkeye an actual thing? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/142 "2018-12-11T22:30:41Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Is not-a-bow-but-now-with-a-sword Hawkeye an actual thing? [Ronin.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin_(Marvel_Comics)) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/143 "2018-12-11T22:35:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Everytime he punched someone with it - he closed his hand. The ‘snap’ (IMHO) was more than just closing his hand - it was an overt act that meant something (to the wearer and the magik in the glove) Not saying that the Gauntlet gets activated every time he closes his hand, but he must close his hand in order to activate it. It a combination of mental and physical control. Similar to Thor holding out his hand for Mjolnir. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/144 "2018-12-11T23:28:46Z")
To put it in D&D terms, snapping the fingers is a somatic component for using the Gauntlet. But any individual component isn’t all there is to a spell, as evidenced by the existence of componentless spells. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/145 "2018-12-12T02:43:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [Ronin.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin_(Marvel_Comics)) Ah, yes…thank you ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/146 "2018-12-13T22:39:37Z")
I thought the ‘snap’ was fairly straightforward. It was not just a matter of adjusting the consume/produce ratio, it was a warning to the survivors to do better, simultaneously giving them time to do so. Doubling resources provides no incentive to wiser use of them. I mean, if I’m Joe average on some planet and this happens, I don’t know that he won’t be back in 50 years to do it again. So maybe I should start recycling or something, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/147 "2018-12-14T01:15:20Z")
If you even had a clue what happened, or why. Which is just another stupidity in Thanos’ plan: In order for it to work, there needs to be a marketing campaign to go along with it, and if you’re going to need that anyway, why not do that first, and see if it works by itself? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/148 "2018-12-14T01:18:47Z")
Just my thought. The normal reaction to such a disaster is getting to fucking most sincerely. There will be a small new creature boom across the Universe because of the snap. Thanos is stupider than [fill in the blank with the group/individual of your choice]. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/149 "2018-12-14T03:05:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If you even had a clue what happened, or why. Which is just another stupidity in Thanos’ plan: In order for it to work, there needs to be a marketing campaign to go along with it, and if you’re going to need that anyway, why not do that first, and see if it works by itself? He’s got an entire army/cult following him. And the marketing plan has been going on for some time now - Gamora’s home world was an early market. Thanos is known and feared throughout the galaxy. We didn’t know about him on earth, because we’re a backwater. His plans and methods are pretty well known on the planets that matter, and he’s got the organization in place to let people know what just hrappened, and why. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/150 "2018-12-14T04:04:05Z")
“An army” is awfully small, on the galactic or cosmic scale. Yes, the planets he’s “helped” before know who he is, but that was a fairly small proportion, before the Gauntlet. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/151 "2018-12-14T13:37:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “An army” is awfully small, on the galactic or cosmic scale. Yes, the planets he’s “helped” before know who he is, but that was a fairly small proportion, before the Gauntlet. He destroyed Xander in order to get the first (Power) stone. Thats no small feat. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/152 "2018-12-14T16:14:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s got an entire army/cult following him. And the marketing plan has been going on for some time now - Gamora’s home world was an early market. Thanos is known and feared throughout the galaxy. We didn’t know about him on earth, because we’re a backwater. His plans and methods are pretty well known on the planets that matter, and he’s got the organization in place to let people know what just hrappened, and why. Did her planet get hit by the Great Halving\*, or was it grandfathered because it had already been taken care of? \*My head-canon term for the Decimation. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/153 "2018-12-20T18:55:16Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > OOT: Thanos hasn’t realized that life has a way of coming back; humanity recovered from disasters such as the Black Plague just fine, and we can assume the same to have happened in many other worlds through the Multiverse. He doesn’t want to do it again because he doesn’t have the imagination to think he’ll need to do it again: he truly and sincerely believes that by killing half the Universe he’s solved the Universe’s problems (talk about someone who needs to lay down the absinthe!). I think his thinking isn’t that life can’t rebuild, but that his action will become etched into the memory of every remaining living being and serve as an unforgettable warning to every culture. It won’t solve every problem forever by itself, but will instead shape the minds of the survivors in a way that it won’t be necessary to repeat. I mean, it’s not RIGHT, but that’s the thought process that I interpret. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/154 "2019-01-15T15:46:11Z")
[The new Spider-Man trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFmhKpZKlE) is out. I’m assuming the movie takes place prior to Infinity War / Endgame, but I don’t know if that’s been stated officially anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/155 "2019-01-15T16:18:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > He destroyed Xander in order to get the first (Power) stone. Thats no small feat. Meh. Xandar’s defenses couldn’t stop a single Kree battleship without help. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/156 "2019-01-15T16:29:17Z")
I believe the official word is the opposite – it takes place after Endgame. Its existence is proof (like we need any) that heroes WILL be un-dusted in the course of Endgame. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/157 "2019-02-04T00:53:15Z")
[New teaser for Avengers: Endgame](https://youtu.be/-iFq6IcAxBc). Also, there’s something I got alerted to by a speculation video - the speculation itself doesn’t matter, but it pointed out something I hadn’t noticed before. [In the first trailer,](https://t.co/uaTkSitVfu) in the zinger where Scott Lang shows up at the gate, look at the display, on the top left. It’s at 2:10 in the link I’ve posted. It definitely says “Archive” up there, and the number before may well be, as the spec site claimed, “1983”. And yet Natasha confirms to Steve that it’s live footage… Could be a mistake, could be something really weird. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/158 "2019-02-04T00:58:51Z")
I’m not buying it. He’s got the van in the footage. I don’t see how the van can go through the time vortex with him. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/159 "2019-02-04T01:20:09Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’m not buying it. He’s got the van in the footage. I don’t see how the van can go through the time vortex with him. Good point - still, it’s damned odd. One way or another, they’ll have some 'splainin to do. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364/160 "2019-02-04T01:30:49Z")
Yeah, I agree that it’s old footage. But it might just be a few months or so old. We don’t know how long it took Cap and Nat to get from Wakanda to Avengers HQ. So Lang might have been there a few weeks or months ahead of them. It provides them an incentive to go looking. Lang is listed earlier in the trailer as ‘Missing’ and likely presumed snapped. So finding out he was around could snap them into action. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-4-speculation-thread-infinity-war-spoilers/812364.md?page=9)