# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/1 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")
Kang is out and they are apparently throwing out that storyline. The new title is: Avengers Doomsday. The big bad is Doctor Doom and he is played by none other than Mr. Robert Downey Jr. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/2 "2024-07-28T04:02:57Z")
Link with a few details (this was all apparently just announced at San Diego Comic Con): [https://screenrant.com/avengers-5-movie-title-doomsday-doctor-doom/](https://screenrant.com/avengers-5-movie-title-doomsday-doctor-doom/) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/3 "2024-07-28T04:04:36Z")
I don’t get it. Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Doctor Doom looks exactly like the late Tony Stark? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/4 "2024-07-28T04:11:40Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t get it. Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Doctor Doom looks exactly like the late Tony Stark?- Same actor. Different metal mark. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/5 "2024-07-28T04:13:31Z")
A clip from the reveal of RDJ: > ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/6 "2024-07-28T04:19:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Doctor Doom looks exactly like the late Tony Stark? I mean, if Ryan Reynolds can play two completely different characters named Deadpool and not even Wolverine noticed, then why not? ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/7 "2024-07-28T04:22:45Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Doctor Doom looks exactly like the late Tony Stark? Have you ever seen Captain America and The Human Torch in the same room at the same time? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/8 "2024-07-28T04:27:30Z")
I think the idea is that the Multiverse allows for it. Either we’ll never see his face and he’ll always be masked, or he is the Tony Stark of a different timeline/universe. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/9 "2024-07-28T06:17:31Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Have you ever seen Captain America and The Human Torch in the same room at the same time? Or Buzz Lightyear. ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/10 "2024-07-28T06:37:04Z")
It’s fairly to imagine a Tony Stark who goes ‘too far’ and ends up as the villain. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/11 "2024-07-28T07:03:33Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Have you ever seen Captain America and The Human Torch in the same room at the same time? Well… 🤐 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/12 "2024-07-28T11:50:39Z")
IIRC from the comics, Doom’s real face is so horribly scarred that it wouldn’t look like Tony Stark anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/13 "2024-07-28T12:46:01Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > It’s fairly to imagine a Tony Stark who goes ‘too far’ and ends up as the villain. You can make the argument that it’s happened twice already in Age of Ultron and Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/14 "2024-07-28T13:37:38Z")
I’m picturing Spider-Man hearing his voice for the first time. “Mr. Stark?” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/15 "2024-07-28T13:41:43Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I’m picturing Spider-Man hearing his voice for the first time. “Mr. Stark?” “…yes, that’s correct; I can’t explain right now, but you need to believe me when I say that everything depends on you bludgeoning Sam Wilson to death as soon as possible.” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/16 "2024-07-28T13:45:44Z")
There aren’t any other actors available? What is this, Law and Order? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/17 "2024-07-28T13:48:44Z")
Doctor Doom is known for monologuing, so the role could be perfect for Sam Waterston. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/18 "2024-07-28T14:07:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t get it. Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Doctor Doom looks exactly like the late Tony Stark? As others have opined, maybe it’s a multiverse thing? Honestly, once you introduce the multiverse to a fictional universe, nothing much matters anymore. You’ve jumped the shark. The exception would be if the whole point is to explore existentialist themes. So, fair enough for _Rick and Morty_ or _Everything, Everywhere, All at Once_, but pretty much a death knell for Marvel IMHO. That said, since they have introduced the multiverse to Marvel (and foolishly gone on to produce additional works in the same continuity), what the heck? Go ahead and make RDJ the villain and the hero. Heck, make him every character! There are literally an infinite number of RDJs and Tony Starks available in the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/19 "2024-07-28T14:14:09Z")
I don’t have any problem with this casting choice at all. If a Cinematic Universe can have different actors play the same role, it can have the same actor play different roles. It’s called “acting” for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/20 "2024-07-28T14:36:54Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > You’ve jumped the shark. Jumped the _Stark_. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=2)