# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/181 "2026-07-20T14:44:39Z")
The MCU needs to stop calling their “events” Avengers movies. It was bad enough shoehorning in the Guardians of the Galaxy last time. And that had the benefit of “snapping away” half the characters for most of it. Now we have the X-Men and the Fantastic Four crammed in? Might as well throw in Richie Rich and Vampirella while they’re at it. This really is the Hollywood equivalent of seeing how many frat boys can be stuffed into a phone booth. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/182 "2026-07-20T14:48:24Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > This really is the Hollywood equivalent of seeing how many frat boys can be stuffed into a phone booth. Or the Hollywood equivalent of exactly what Marvel (and DC) comics has been doing for several decades. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/183 "2026-07-20T14:49:15Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > One wonders how they’ll manage to do all of them justice, how long will the movie be? it should be a LOTR-style 3 hour movie or something like it It’s likely going to end on a cliffhanger like _Avengers: Infinity War_ did, to be concluded in _Avengers: Secret Wars_ next year. > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The MCU needs to stop calling their “events” Avengers movies. It was bad enough shoehorning in the Guardians of the Galaxy last time. And that had the benefit of “snapping away” half the characters for most of it. Now we have the X-Men and the Fantastic Four crammed in? Might as well throw in Richie Rich and Vampirella while they’re at it. This really is the Hollywood equivalent of seeing how many frat boys can be stuffed into a phone booth. At least they’re not putting Deadpool in this one. I assume. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/184 "2026-07-20T14:50:36Z")
I watched the trailer and it seems like a confusing mess to me. I haven’t watched all of the movies since End Game and I’ve barely watched any of the TV shows, so I wonder if I’ll be able to follow the movie at all. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/185 "2026-07-20T14:52:36Z")
Just so I’m certain. That _is_ Steve Rogers taking Thor’s hammer at the end of the trailer, right? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/186 "2026-07-20T14:56:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Or the Hollywood equivalent of exactly what Marvel (and DC) comics has been doing for several decades. Not exactly. The events are mostly chopped up into 22 page chapters featuring individual characters and teams in their own titles. Only then does the culminating special series make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/187 "2026-07-20T14:56:29Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Just so I’m certain. That _is_ Steve Rogers taking Thor’s hammer at the end of the trailer, right? I believe we are meant to think so. But who knows for sure? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/188 "2026-07-20T14:59:41Z")
Maybe it’s the Human Torch. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/189 "2026-07-20T15:01:21Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The events are mostly chopped up into 22 page chapters featuring individual characters and teams in their own titles. Only then does the culminating special series make any sense. Which is exactly how the MCU has always worked. (Substitute “22 page chapters” with “movies”.) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/190 "2026-07-20T15:02:11Z")
Or Mystique after somehow making herself worthy of the hammer ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/191 "2026-07-20T15:03:47Z")
Or a really nice Skrull. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/192 "2026-07-20T15:04:18Z")
Captain Skrullos! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/193 "2026-07-20T15:05:39Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Maybe it’s the Human Torch. No, he was subjected to Very Bad Things in the last Deadpool film and un-multiversed. Also, having duplicate versions of the same character would make this an even bigger mess than it already appears to be. Captain NiceSkrull is certainly an option given the title of the next film. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/194 "2026-07-20T15:07:42Z")
Jokes aside, I would be very surprise if it’s not the original Captain. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/195 "2026-07-20T15:54:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Captain NiceSkrull is certainly an option given the title of the next film. I assume that this and the next movie are inspired by [the 2015 Secret Wars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)) (and not the 1984 one, the 1985 one, the 1988 one or the 2004 one without the (second) “s” that was already the inspiration for a terrible miniseries). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/196 "2026-07-20T16:45:40Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@DigitalC](#): > > > > The problem wasn’t killing off cap and Iron Man, it was not realizing Endgame WAS the end of the story they told. > > Indeed. I was a big fan of the MCU films, through Endgame. The more recent films haven’t had the same appeal to me, and I do think that part of it is that they had an excellent metaplot, and they wrapped it up. (Also, the “multiverse” metaplot of their more recent films and TV shows is, to me, confusing and not as appealing.) I actually feel they had a good plan. They would end the first series with Endgame and retire some of the main characters (who were played by actors who were aging out of the roles). Then they would restart a new series with new characters, casting younger (and lower-salaried) actors. They also had a good idea with Kang and the multi-verse. This would allow them to bring in characters like the X-Men and the Fantastic Four as established characters rather than having to introduce them as new characters just starting their careers. And a multiversal villain like Kang made a credible threat. I think the problem as things developed was there were a lot of weak movies and tv series which meant audiences didn’t get invested in the characters. Then there was the decision to abandon the Kang character after Jonathan Majors’ arrest, rather than recast him. This meant there had to be a substantial shift in the arc plotline. And quite frankly, Victor von Doom isn’t the same level of threat as Kang or Thanos. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/197 "2026-07-20T16:52:02Z")
I watched the recent trailer and I noticed characters like the Thunderbolts, Shang Chi, and some Wakandans. But I didn’t notice any characters from the Eternals movie. Has the studio decided to erase these characters? Or are they saving them for Secret War? If it’s the latter, that’ll mean those characters will have been out of sight for six years by the time they appear. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/198 "2026-07-20T18:10:52Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Which is exactly how the MCU has always worked. (Substitute “22 page chapters” with “movies”.) Again, “not exactly”. The main plots of the non-Avenger movies only set up the current status of the character. They contribute nothing to the actual story in the main event “Avengers” movies. And the 15 second teasers during the credits are hardly the same as an entire comic book. There’s nothing wrong with that approach unless you expect to tell the story of dozens of characters and how they relate to the plot in just three hours. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/199 "2026-07-20T18:26:00Z")
To add to the above. The creators of the last two Avengers realized how bloated the story would be and engineered a plot device that gave half the characters a “time out”. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/200 "2026-07-20T18:33:19Z")
No Spider-Man or Hulk? Dollars to donuts the “Brand New Day” post credits scene sets them up in the Secret Wars movie, maybe with an Eddie Brock cameo as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=11)