# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/221 "2026-07-21T14:53:45Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s a Marvel movie. As were the first 12 MCU movies in which he did not appear (including two Avengers films). Sony owns the movie rights to the character, so there is no guarantee that Spider-man will appear. Of the 37 MCU released movies, he appeared in 6. To categorically say that no only will he appear, but he will be heavily featured needs to be backed up with some data from press-releases or what not. There may be a cameo appearance, but that is not guaranteed either. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/222 "2026-07-21T15:33:53Z")
The counterpoint is that there’s always negotiation between Marvel Studios & Sony as to who will appear in which movie. One thing that’s telling is that every standalone Spider-Man movie has had at least one major MCU character, up to and including the Hulk in Brand New Day. It seems unlikely that Marvel Studios would have made a deal to let Sony use the Hulk if Sony wasn’t willing to play ball with their MCU plans for Spidey. Not to say he’ll definitely be in this one, hence my comment above that the post-credits scene might set up Spidey’s appearance in Secret Wars next year. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/223 "2026-07-21T17:00:32Z")
> [@icon](#): > > > [@DigitalC](#): > > > > It’s a Marvel movie. > > As were the first 12 MCU movies in which he did not appear (including two Avengers films). Sony owns the movie rights to the character, so there is no guarantee that Spider-man will appear. Of the 37 MCU released movies, he appeared in 6. To categorically say that no only will he appear, but he will be heavily featured needs to be backed up with some data from press-releases or what not. > > There may be a cameo appearance, but that is not guaranteed either. > > `//i\\` Spider-man is in the MCU movie that is coming out in a few weeks. The one with the Hulk, Punisher and probably Daredevil. And Tom Holland’s name appears in the original teaser. I don’t know why this is even a discussion. It may just be the post credits but the Spider-movie will be setting up the Avengers movie. And Spider-man will be in the Avengers again. ETA the current spider-man contract with Sony states Marvel/Disney maintains creative control of the character, pays 25% of the cost for 25% profit of the standalone movies and gets to use him in other MCU projects. Sony retains 100% of control over the rights to any spiderverse characters and is able to make any crappy movie with them. So Spider-man is in but if they want to use Venom in the MCU they will have to negotiate that separately. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/224 "2026-07-21T17:05:36Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Spider-man is in the MCU movie that is coming out in a few weeks. The one with the Hulk, Punisher and probably Daredevil. And Tom Holland’s name appears in the original teaser. I don’t know why this is even a discussion. It may just be the post credits but the Spider-movie will be setting up the Avengers movie. I don’t think that anyone is disputing that Spider-Man will be in the new Spider-Man movie, but whether he will be in the Avengers film. So far, there is no confirmation that Spider-Man will be in the Avengers movie, and at least this article discusses why it’s unlikely that he has much of a role in that film (if he appears at all): > **[Is Spider-Man absent from Avengers: Doomsday? Here's what we know](https://www.cinemaexpress.com/english/news/2026/Jul/21/is-spider-man-absent-from-avengers-doomsday-heres-what-we-know)** > > Marvel Studios finally unveiled the first trailer for Avengers: Doomsday, giving fans their biggest look yet at the upcoming crossover event led by the return o > Although Marvel has not commented on Spider-Man’s absence, industry observers have pointed to a possible scheduling conflict. _ **Avengers: Doomsday** _ and _ **Spider-Man: Brand New Day** _ reportedly filmed during overlapping periods in 2025, making it difficult for Holland to take on a substantial role in both projects simultaneously. Since he headlines _ **Brand New Day** _, any appearance in _ **Doomsday** _, if it exists at all, could be limited. According to that article, these are the actors confirmed to be appearing (though obviously this isn’t going to cover everyone): > The ensemble announced so far includes Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Chris Evans, Anthony Mackie (Captain America), Pedro Pascal (Reed Richards), Vanessa Kirby (Sue Storm), Joseph Quinn (Johnny Storm), Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Thing), Florence Pugh (Yelena Belova), Sebastian Stan (Bucky Barnes), Simu Liu (Shang-Chi), Letitia Wright (Black Panther), Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Patrick Stewart (Professor X), Ian McKellen (Magneto), James Marsden (Cyclops), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), Channing Tatum (Gambit), David Harbour, Danny Ramirez, Winston Duke, Hannah John-Kamen, among others. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/225 "2026-07-21T17:10:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Spider-man is in the MCU movie that is coming out in a few weeks. The one with the Hulk, Punisher and probably Daredevil. And Tom Holland’s name appears in the original teaser. I don’t know why this is even a discussion. It may just be the post credits but the Spider-movie will be setting up the Avengers movie. > > I don’t think that anyone is disputing that Spider-Man will be in the new Spider-Man movie, but whether he will be in the Avengers film. > > So far, there is no confirmation that Spider-Man will be in the Avengers movie, and at least this article discusses why it’s unlikely that he has much of a role in that film (if he appears at all): > > [Is Spider-Man absent from Avengers: Doomsday? Here's what we know](https://www.cinemaexpress.com/english/news/2026/Jul/21/is-spider-man-absent-from-avengers-doomsday-heres-what-we-know) > > > Although Marvel has not commented on Spider-Man’s absence, industry observers have pointed to a possible scheduling conflict. _ **Avengers: Doomsday** _ and _ **Spider-Man: Brand New Day** _ reportedly filmed during overlapping periods in 2025, making it difficult for Holland to take on a substantial role in both projects simultaneously. Since he headlines _ **Brand New Day** _, any appearance in _ **Doomsday** _, if it exists at all, could be limited. I guess it depends on what you mean by substantial. I know in the past they have filmed characters on one movie set and then put those scenes in the Avengers. I believe that happened to Gwynth Paltrow. My guess is Doomsday will be further set up in Brand New Day, Spider-man will have a small role in Doomsday and a bigger role in Secret Wars. There is certainly nothing contractual to stop that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/226 "2026-07-21T17:13:43Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > My guess is Doomsday will be further set up in Brand New Day, Spider-man will have a small role in Doomsday and a bigger role in Secret Wars. There is certainly nothing contractual to stop that. That makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/227 "2026-07-21T17:44:50Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > My guess is Doomsday will be further set up in Brand New Day, Spider-man will have a small role in Doomsday and a bigger role in Secret Wars. There is certainly nothing contractual to stop that. I don’t know that will be the case. They might refer to something that ends up in Doomsday, but in general, Spider-Man movies have not set up anything other than other Spider-Man movies. Yes, they linked to the MCU, but neither the Vulture nor Mysterio appeared in non Spider-Man movies. Yes Doctor Strange appeared in No Way Home, but the multiverse came more from Wanda Vision rather than the Spider-Man film. They certainly touch it, and they incorporate it into their narrative, but I don’t really think they set anything up. The only exception is the Tony-Peter Parker relationship, but that was set up in Civil War. In any case, that he will be in Doomsday, and that he will play an important part is pure unsupported speculation. That he will be in Secret Wars, that is too far ahead to know, but could well be the case given that it is likely to be a bigger crossover event. > [@Loach](#): > > The one with the Hulk, Punisher and probably Daredevil There may be cameo for Daredevil, but right now it looks like he is unlikely to appear much as a I would like him to. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/228 "2026-07-21T18:11:02Z")
> [@icon](#): > > There may be cameo for Daredevil, but right now it looks like he is unlikely to appear much as a I would like him to. You may or may not see him in it, but he definitely won’t see you in it. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/229 "2026-07-21T18:22:32Z")
_ **Ba-dum tss!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/230 "2026-07-21T18:24:15Z")
I knew about Hulk and Punisher in the Spider-Man film, but Daredevil wasn’t even on my radar. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/231 "2026-07-21T18:24:49Z")
Or sonar, as they case may be. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/232 "2026-07-21T18:25:03Z")
(It’s radar in the comics.) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/233 "2026-07-21T18:26:07Z")
But radar uses radio waves, how can a human bei… never mind, it’s a comic. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/234 "2026-07-21T18:26:58Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > never mind, it’s a comic. Bingo! And don’t forget Stan Lee was involved in creating him. I think when they were putting the show together, someone said (rightfully so) that the original idea was stupid and turned it into a sonar/echolocation thing. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/235 "2026-07-21T21:25:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > According to that article, these are the actors confirmed to be appearing (though obviously this isn’t going to cover everyone): > > > The ensemble announced so far includes Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Chris Evans, Anthony Mackie (Captain America), Pedro Pascal (Reed Richards), Vanessa Kirby (Sue Storm), Joseph Quinn (Johnny Storm), Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Thing), Florence Pugh (Yelena Belova), Sebastian Stan (Bucky Barnes), Simu Liu (Shang-Chi), Letitia Wright (Black Panther), Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Patrick Stewart (Professor X), Ian McKellen (Magneto), James Marsden (Cyclops), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), Channing Tatum (Gambit), David Harbour, Danny Ramirez, Winston Duke, Hannah John-Kamen, among others. If I was Wyatt Russell, I’d be annoyed. All of the other Thunderbolts actors made the list. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/236 "2026-07-21T21:32:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If I was Wyatt Russell, I’d be annoyed. That is a glaring omission, yeah. He’s confirmed to be in the film, he even talked about his experiences filming it (though he’s had to be careful to not reveal secrets, and even talked about how tough that is). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/237 "2026-07-21T22:31:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I knew about Hulk and Punisher in the Spider-Man film, but Daredevil wasn’t even on my radar. My mistake. I was half remembering something. There were rumors about it. There was a clip in the trailer that was speculated to have another hero edited out and further speculated that it was Daredevil. It’s established that Daredevil and Spider-man and Daredevil are in the same MCU universe. The new Spider-man is supposed to take place immediately after the last season of Daredevil. The movie has both Punisher and The Hand. Matt Murdoch is already Peter’s lawyer. It makes sense he would show up. But so far everyone involved is denying it. And also Matt is last seen in jail. Could still happen despite the denials. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/238 "2026-07-21T22:45:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > All of the other Thunderbolts actors made the list. That film did not do well. I am surprised that Marvel isnt just quietly dropping it. Like they did _Eternals._ Not to mention _The Marvels._ > **[All 37 Marvel MCU Movies Ranked (The Fantastic Four: First Steps,...](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked/)** > > From 'Iron Man' and 'Avengers' to 'Doctor Strange' and 'Thor' and beyond! > The first 11 years of the MCU spanned three so-called Phases, with the third closing after the epic battle royale of _[Avengers: Endgame](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_endgame)_ and epilogue _[Spider-Man: Far From Home](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_far_from_home)_. The franchise barreled forward in a pandemic world with _[Black Widow](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_widow_2021)_, _[Eternals](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eternals)_, _Shang-Chi_, and _[Spider-Man: No Way Home](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_no_way_home)_ in 2021 alone. In 2023, we kicked off Phase 5 with _[Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ant_man_and_the_wasp_quantumania)_, which drew some of the weakest reviews of the franchise even as it expanded the Multiverse storyline meant to replace the overarching Infinity Saga of the first three Phases. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/239 "2026-07-21T23:22:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > the original idea was stupid and turned it into a sonar/echolocation thing. Huh. I thought it was just a psychic-powers-thingy. I guess I didn’t read enough comics. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/240 "2026-07-21T23:29:21Z")
This is off topic because it’s about Spider-Man but I have wanted to see Spider-Man fight the Hulk since I was 9 years old watching them both in Saturday morning cartoons. Finally we have a movie that will deliver. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=13)