# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/241 "2026-07-21T23:54:35Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Huh. I thought it was just a psychic-powers-thingy. I guess I didn’t read enough comics. They call it his “Radar Sense”, much like Spider-Man has a “Spidey Sense”. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/242 "2026-07-22T00:54:25Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > much like Spider-Man has a “Spidey Sense”. I thought it was called the Peter Tingle? 🤪 `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/243 "2026-07-22T02:20:19Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They call it his “Radar Sense”, much like Spider-Man has a “Spidey Sense”. Shouldn’t they call it his “Darey Sense”? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/244 "2026-07-22T03:48:34Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think when they were putting the show together, someone said (rightfully so) that the original idea was stupid and turned it into a sonar/echolocation thing. Some comics I read had him being able to read and even discern color. In other words- not really blind. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/245 "2026-07-22T20:48:12Z")
More specifically, the last season of _Daredevil_ ended with him in prison. One of his major enemies is The Hand, which appear in the new Spider-Man movie. In a prison. Where they’re fighting Daredevil’s client. Now, according to Google’s AI, Charlie Cox (the actor who plays Daredevil, for anyone who’s not aware) has said that he’s not in _Doomsday,_ but industry insiders are widely reporting that he does appear in _Secret Wars._ The character didn’t appear in the first _Secret Wars_ comic event, but he did appear in a tie-in to the second one. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/246 "2026-07-22T22:20:07Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Now, according to Google’s AI, Charlie Cox (the actor who plays Daredevil, for anyone who’s not aware) has said that he’s not in _Doomsday,_ but industry insiders are widely reporting that he does appear in _Secret Wars._ What is the track record of the MCU films that bring in characters from their TV shows? _Thunderbolts_ had US Agent and _Marvels_ had Ms. Marvel. I’m sure I’m overlooking other examples but maybe moviegoers just don’t want to pay to see these TV characters on the big screen. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/247 "2026-07-22T22:37:42Z")
Judging by YouTube reaction videos, people were pretty psyched when Matt Murdock showed up in _Spider-Man: No Way Home._ ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/248 "2026-07-22T22:57:05Z")
The Scarlet Witch had a hugely successful tv series before she became the principal villain in _Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness_, a billion dollar film. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/249 "2026-07-22T23:00:46Z")
But she did not originate in a TV show like the others, she was already in Age of Ultron. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/250 "2026-07-22T23:07:41Z")
I didn’t read that as a character had to originate in tv. Clearly her tv appearance gave her character a giant boost. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/251 "2026-07-22T23:44:51Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > _Thunderbolts_ had US Agent and _Marvels_ had Ms. Marvel. U.S. Agent is definitely a B-tier (at best) Marvel hero. He was definitely not a (or _the_) lead in _Thunderbolts_, which would have been Winter Soldier and Yelena Belova, and maybe Red Guardian as comic relief, all of whom had appeared in at least one MCU theatrical film. Ms. Marvel has been a popular, and critically acclaimed, comic book for Marvel for a decade, and her TV series was very well-received. The other stars in _The Marvels_ (Carol Danvers and Monica Rambeau) had both also been in at least one film. But, not only did _The Marvels_ get mixed critical reviews, the fact that it also starred three female superheroes and a female main villain probably meant that the “toxic fanboy” segment of the MCU audience steered clear. tl;dr: I don’t think that those examples really prove the theorem that MCU characters who originated in Disney+ Marvel TV series can’t draw in a feature film. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/252 "2026-07-23T00:00:04Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > the fact that it also starred three female superheroes and a female main villain probably meant that the “toxic fanboy” segment of the MCU audience steered clear. Naw. We watched it, and found it uninspiring and confusing. Danvers in the other films (like Avengers Endgame) was great (altho maybe a bit overpowered). And like you said- many critics (not “toxic fanboys") hated it. In fact- [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the\_marvels](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_marvels) The fans gave it 79%, whereas the critics gave it a mere 63% And even then a few of the “good ones” were damning with faint praise- > ‘The Marvels’ is by no means the catastrophe that online rumors and industry buzz have made it out to be…It’s sustained by good chemistry between its protagonists and some funny situations that add entertainment to the story. Otherwise, we find ourselves with a run-of-the-mill film, a rather bland villain, and poorly crafted visuals. It wasnt a bad film- it was just a “Meh” film. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/253 "2026-07-23T00:01:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Naw. We watched it, and found it uninspiring and confusing. Danvers in the other films (like Avengers Endgame) was great (altho maybe a bit overpowered). And like you said- many critics (not “toxic fanboys") hated it. Both can be true. 🙂 Either way, the fact that Ms. Marvel and Rambeau (as an adult character) both made their first MCU appearances in TV shows, rather than theatrical films, likely isn’t why that film did not fare well. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/254 "2026-07-23T01:02:26Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I didn’t read that as a character had to originate in tv. But that’s what I meant. There’s no doubt it is prestigious for a TV show to feature a film character (actor) . Not so much the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/255 "2026-07-23T01:05:21Z")
I don’t think it matters where the characters came from. If the movie follows the arc of the comics, then most of them aren’t going to survive anyway. Part Two may be called _Secret Wars_ but it will draw heavily from Battleworld. That means major body count, and they can’t just blip them back into existence since that was the trick they used the last time. So a lot of secondary characters from TV probably won’t survive. Going to be plenty of pissed off fans no matter what they do. Ought to be interesting ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/256 "2026-07-23T01:15:05Z")
If Marvel can make a blockbuster movie out of the Guardians of the Galaxy, they can make one from any characters. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/257 "2026-07-23T01:40:59Z")
Good point. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/258 "2026-07-23T16:19:15Z")
Latest news: _Secret Wars_ will be split into two parts, with Part Two set for 2028 (Marvel Studio’s 20th Anniversary) So yeah - BattleWorld is happening. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/259 "2026-07-23T17:32:36Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Either way, the fact that Ms. Marvel and Rambeau (as an adult character) both made their first MCU appearances in TV shows, rather than theatrical films, likely isn’t why that film did not fare well. I was a huge fan of Ms. Marvel’s TV show, and I’m a fan of all three characters. I saw that film and I can’t really remember anything that happened in it, except the planet where everyone had to sing to talk (which was annoying). Everything else is a blur. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/260 "2026-07-23T17:46:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If Marvel can make a blockbuster movie out of the Guardians of the Galaxy, they can make one from any characters. Yeah, I predicted that film would fail- and I was wrong. What saved it was the humor- and a raccoon. However, I also predicted The Marvels, The Eternals and Thunderbolts would fail- and i was right. Other than Guardians, the MCU has not done well with relatively unknown characters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=14)