# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/321 "2026-07-29T19:28:50Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Iron Man was probably slow out of the gate as a live action character because what he mostly did was fly. Even live action Superman looked stupid flying unless they threw a zillion dollars at the effect. You also had the face covering costume. Yes, other characters like Batman and Spiderman covered their face. But in these cases the mask played to the character hiding their identity. Notice how when they finally filmed the Iron Man movies, they had a camera angle inside his mask so you could see Robert Downey’s face. [![](https://static0.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/jarvis-iron-man-1234953.jpg?w=1200&h=675&fit=crop) ](https://static0.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/jarvis-iron-man-1234953.jpg?w=1200&h=675&fit=crop) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/322 "2026-07-29T19:37:07Z")
That seems like a reasonable point, and they probably did think at the time that those inside-the-helmet shots were necessary… but we hardly ever see Pedro Pascal’s face at all in The Mandalorian, and it doesn’t seem to have hindered that show. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/323 "2026-07-29T20:00:16Z")
I remember Iron Man from the [old-ass cartoon](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206490/episodes/?ref_=tt_ov_epl). Apparently made in the 60s but, like many of those legacy cartoons, still taking up cereal bowl primetime space up through the early-mid 80s. This doesn’t mean I would have rushed out to see a movie about him based on the cartoon alone but I was aware that he was a super hero ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/324 "2026-07-29T20:17:11Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Hulk, the X-Men, and maybe Wonder Woman and the Fantastic Four. Deadpool also, which is why it got sold off. The only new character that has achieved that kind of popularity since he was from the 90s. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/325 "2026-07-29T20:34:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Deadpool also, which is why it got sold off. The only new character that has achieved that kind of popularity since he was from the 90s. Wasn’t Deadpool just part of the X-Men license bought by Fox? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/326 "2026-07-29T20:36:38Z")
You’re right, I completely forgot he was a mutant. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d07c76/32.png) [@Hermione1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione1)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/327 "2026-07-29T21:18:40Z")
They ran those cartoons on WPIX (which we got in South Jersey once we got cable) when I was a kid in the eighties. Those theme songs stuck in my head. Which is why I got such a big kick when they used the cartoon theme song in the Iron Man movie…the band plays it when Tony’s award is announced, and we hear it again when we see Tony in the casino. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/328 "2026-07-29T21:27:40Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > You’re right, I completely forgot he was a mutant. He isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/329 "2026-07-31T13:50:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > but we hardly ever see Pedro Pascal’s face at all in The Mandalorian, and it doesn’t seem to have hindered that show. Wellbut, not quite analogous: it’s a Big Thing **in-universe** that the Mandalorian musn’t ever take his helmet off where anybody else can see him. So “fully masked” is his default appearance. Unlike the usual superhero character whose face we get accustomed to seeing in his ordinary life, so it feels like he loses relatability if his face entirely disappears when he suits up for derring-do. (Batman etc., even Spiderman don’t vanish all facial cues and contour inside their masks the way Iron Man and the Mandalorian do.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/330 "2026-07-31T14:04:04Z")
When Iron Man is talking to people, even when fully suited-up, though, he usually opens his visor. For the very reason, of course, that it makes him more relatable. I think that viewers would probably actually have been fine with him dressed as Tony Stark when doing rich-people things, in full armor with mask closed when fighting, and in full armor but with mask open when he’s talking in the immediate run-up or follow-on to a fight, without needing the inside-the-helmet shots. But I also think that, before The Mandalorian provided a proof of concept, it was reasonable (even though incorrect) for filmmakers to think that those shots were necessary. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/331 "2026-08-01T00:38:22Z")
Those Tony Stark in-visor shots are important, though, as he still has to evoke a lot of emotion as he navigates a malfunction or stands up to an enemy. Meanwhile Din Djarin is a very stoic character at all times, so there’d be not much to see. ---
**Author:** ![Galactus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galactus/32/3581_2.png) [@Galactus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galactus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/332 "2026-08-01T00:40:59Z")
> [@icon](#): > > Speaking personally as someone who read, and still has boxes of comic books at home. I never bought any iron man comics. The character was tangentially interesting. I mostly bought Amazing spider-man, and occasional forays into other ones when there was a cross-over event. I bought Black Panther and some x-men, but even though I saw iron man in the comic book store when I went, Iron Man (and Tony Stark) were only interesting to me if they appeared in the context of some other story. So even though I was comic book fan (I also bought a lot of DC), I did not get really introduced to Iron man until I watched the film. Yes, I did know the rough details (the grey armor, the shrapnel heart thing, and few other details), but not much else. And that is me, as someone who would frequent the comic book shop at least once a week. > > I had never conceived about someone making a movie with him as the star but was excited for a new comic book film. Interestingly enough I did know who Rhodey was because of the original Secret Wars comic. This post is my exact experience with Iron Man. Scarily exact. You don’t live in a small town in SW Michigan, do you? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/333 "2026-08-01T00:55:14Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > He isn’t. Deadpool is a _Mutate,_ no “X” factor, but technically still a “mutant” but not X-men type. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/334 "2026-08-01T01:16:09Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Deadpool is a _Mutate,_ no “X” factor, but technically still a “mutant” Not in Marvel Universe terminology he isn’t. [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary:Mutate](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary:Mutate) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/335 "2026-08-01T01:17:46Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Not in Marvel Universe terminology he isn’t. Yes, like I said, he is not a _X-factor type_ of mutant. But in scientific terms he would be. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/336 "2026-08-01T01:21:04Z")
But we aren’t talking “science terms”, we are talking Marvel terms. > In [American comic books](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_comic_books "American comic books") published by [Marvel Comics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Comics "Marvel Comics"), a **mutant** is a human being that possesses a [genetic trait](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics "Genetics") called the X-gene. > **[Mutant (Marvel Comics)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(Marvel_Comics))** > > In American comic books published by Marvel Comics, a mutant is a human being that possesses a genetic trait called the X-gene. It causes the mutant to develop superhuman powers that manifest at puberty. Human mutants are sometimes referred to as a human subspecies Homo sapiens superior or simply Homo superior. Mutants are the evolutionary progeny of Homo sapiens, and are often referred to as the next stage in human evolution. The accuracy of this is the subject of much debate in the Marvel Uni... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/337 "2026-08-01T01:27:19Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But we aren’t talking “science terms”, we are talking Marvel terms. Yes, fine. As your cite says- “a mutant is a human being that possesses a genetic trait called the X-gene” and what I said _“he is not a X-factor type of mutant”._ so we agree. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/338 "2026-08-01T02:47:05Z")
> [@Galactus](#): > > This post is my exact experience with Iron Man. Scarily exact. You don’t live in a small town in SW Michigan, do you? er…will you turn me into your Herald if I do…or eat my planet??? More seriously, no, although I have been to Michigan a few times, I have never lived there. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/339 "2026-08-01T16:40:35Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > He isn’t. Movie Deadpool is definitely a mutant. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2026, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/340 "2026-08-01T17:31:06Z")
The only thing that matters in licensing is that Deadpool is an X-Men character, the same way the Silver Surfer or Doom are Fantastic Four characters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881.md?page=16)