# Avengers 5 officially renamed (Avengers: Doomsday) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [July 28, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881 "2024-07-28T03:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![P-man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/p-man/32/3606_2.png) [@P-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P-man)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/141 "2026-01-16T14:58:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Blade has shown up in the MCU three times already and we still haven’t seen a single vampire. That’s because he’s gotten rid of them. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/142 "2026-01-16T22:31:45Z")
So, is Victor Von Doom an actual medical doctor or is it more like Doom PhD? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/143 "2026-01-16T22:36:05Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > more like Doom PhD? More like that. He’s the intellectual peer of Reed Richards (the two of them, along with Tony Stark, are arguably the most gifted inventors on Earth). Doom and Richards studied together in college, before Doom suffered the accident which disfigured his face. I don’t know if he technically holds a Ph.D, but he’s a brilliant scientist. I don’t recall ever seeing anything about him which suggested he’s a medical doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/144 "2026-01-16T22:44:44Z")
Thanks for that. It is hard to keep track of what everyone is an expert of in Marvel. Being a ‘scientist’ seems to mean having bleeding edge knowledge in at least 2 completely unrelated fields. I have to assume some of them also go to medical school. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/145 "2026-01-16T22:47:22Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So, is Victor Von Doom an actual medical doctor or is it more like Doom PhD? I think you mean, is Victor Von Doom an actual doctor, or an MD? (Because the first MD wasn’t issued until 200 years after the first PhD. I know, I nitpick.) I don’t think he actually holds a real degree in anything, though. He attended Empire State University with Reed Richards, but was expelled after a reckless experiment led to a massive explosion. He took on the name “Doctor Doom” as a pseudonym, and conquered his home nation of Latveria through a revolution. As the sole autocratic leader of his nation, he could probably just award himself a degree, but I’m not sure that he’d bother. I always assumed he gave himself the title because he judged that only he was smart enough to properly judge his own worth. All of that is his comic book background to the best of my knowledge, the film may diverge slightly or massively from any part of it. > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Being a ‘scientist’ seems to mean having bleeding edge knowledge in at least 2 completely unrelated fields. In his case he is a scientist and a sorcerer. Those are his fields. (Robotics is a particular scientific specialty, as he creates a lot of mechanical doppelgangers of himself, to the point where it becomes a ridiculous trope that you can never kill the **real** Doctor Doom.) But the experiment that got him expelled was an attempt to create a machine that can speak with the dead. A lot of his science is fringe stuff, total mad science stuff, and tied up in a lot of mystical whatever. Very much like alchemy I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/146 "2026-01-16T22:55:48Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I have to assume some of them also go to medical school. As far as I can tell, the only superpowered individuals in the MCU with medical degrees are Dr. Stephen Strange and Dr. Bruce Banner. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/147 "2026-01-16T22:58:56Z")
Huh, always thought Banner was another scientist. I had no idea he was an actual MD. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/148 "2026-01-16T23:02:14Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Huh, always thought Banner was another scientist. He was originally a nuclear physicist; and canonically (in the comics), that was his first Ph.D. He might have gotten an MD at some point, too, I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/149 "2026-01-16T23:02:18Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Huh, always thought Banner was another scientist. I had no idea he was an actual MD. When we first meet him in _The Avengers_, he’s running a medical clinic in India. He may very well have other degrees, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2026, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/150 "2026-01-16T23:02:38Z")
Banner was both. He was an MD and held 7 different PhDs. (In the MCU at least, according to the _Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary_.) Funny enough, Jane Foster, who became a superhero in the most recent Thor film, was an MD in the comics (after originally being a nurse) but was changed into an astrophysicist for the MCU, so she doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/151 "2026-01-17T02:49:49Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > More like that. He’s the intellectual peer of Reed Richards (the two of them, along with Tony Stark, are arguably the most gifted inventors on Earth). Pym is way ahead of Stark. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/152 "2026-01-17T02:55:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Pym is way ahead of Stark. I knew I forgot someone. By the time I started reading Marvel comics in the '80s, they had already started to de-emphasize Hank Pym. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/153 "2026-01-17T07:36:02Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > My problem with the multiverse is that for a genre that should first and foremost be fun, it’s just too much work for the viewer. The multiverse aspect definitely helps this impression but the MCU in general these days feels like too much work for me. The original batch of films came along at a manageable pace and were mainly self contained aside from some hooks. These days I feel as though if I haven’t watched a half dozen films and three 12-episode television shows, I may as well not bother. Which I no longer do; I’ve pretty much dropped off since Endgame aside from the Spider-Man films. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/154 "2026-01-17T17:12:24Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Reed Richards (the two of them, along with Tony Stark, are arguably the most gifted inventors on Earth Well, there’s at least one more contender: > **[Forge (character)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(character))** > > Forge is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics, most commonly in association with the X-Men. A mutant with an unsurpassed brilliance in technology, he has had a lengthy career as a government weapons contractor. Created by writer Chris Claremont and artist John Romita Jr., Forge first appeared in The Uncanny X-Men #184 (August 1984). > Forge shared a romantic relationship with Storm and a brief affair with Mystique, which led him to associate with the X-Men and t... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/155 "2026-01-17T17:31:33Z")
Oh, there are plenty of metatechnologists. Also Shuri, and Rocket whenever he happens to be on Earth, and heck, even Peter Parker. But most of them (Stark included) invent things like extra-powerful ray guns, while Pym invents things like shrink rays and time machines, Richards invents things like god-killing weapons, and Doom invents things like necromancy engines. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/156 "2026-01-17T20:20:29Z")
After Marvel established that (_Hulk_ character) Amadeus Cho was the “seventh smartest person in the world”, the ongoing fan debate has been “Who are the top six?”. Reed, Doom, and Stark are given and no one wants to include the unpopular Banner or Pym, so the remaining three are always a battle between legacies like Peter Parker, Professor X, and Hank McCoy and…little girls, Valerie Richards and Moon Girl. Heaven forbid, Marvel actually create a super-genius woman. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/157 "2026-01-17T20:26:16Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Heaven forbid, Marvel actually create a super-genius woman. They did. Shuri, T’Challa’s sister. Yes, women are underrepresented (in the Marvel universe and in ours), but they still exist. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/158 "2026-01-17T20:46:12Z")
I think Riri from Iron Heart is supposed to be a genius also. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/159 "2026-01-17T20:52:50Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Reed, Doom, and Stark are given and no one wants to include the unpopular Banner or Pym, I get why Pym is unpopular, but Banner?? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2026, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-5-officially-renamed-avengers-doomsday/1004881/160 "2026-01-17T21:02:15Z")
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