# Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer leaks **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 22, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201 "2014-10-22T23:21:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/41 "2014-10-23T18:28:39Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > It’s been a long time since my avengers comic reading days but wasn’t Ultron created by Hank Pym? So why would they insert the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver BEFORE the Wasp and Antman/Yellowjacket? Or are they in this one too? > > YES, I’m an ultra-nerdy comic purist. In the movie he’s going to be created by Stark. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/42 "2014-10-23T18:34:21Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > It’s been a long time since my avengers comic reading days but wasn’t Ultron created by Hank Pym? So why would they insert the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver BEFORE the Wasp and Antman/Yellowjacket? Or are they in this one too? > > YES, I’m an ultra-nerdy comic purist. You have to let go. This is is different. This is a different continuity/alternate universe which is something any comic purist should readily understand and embrace. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/43 "2014-10-23T18:36:26Z")
Ruffalo does a very good crazy person. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/44 "2014-10-23T18:54:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > MCU has only a tangental relationship to the 616 Universe. Because they hadn’t gotten Antman introduced yet, Ultron becomes a Stark creation. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are introduced now because the person who wrote and directed Avengers 2 wanted them there. > > The MCU uses elements of the various Marvel universes, but it is its own separate creation, with its own continuity. That explains the scene in the preview where Stark was looking all solemn. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/45 "2014-10-23T19:04:20Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > How did Quicksilver & the Scarlet Witch slip thru the legal net to appear in both X-Men & Avengers movies? It seems that one team of lawyers would have nailed them to a particular studio. Is it just that they can’t be mutants in the Avengers movie or are other alterations necessary? Essentially, correct. The word “mutant” is verboten here; that’s exclusive to the X-men franchise. Similarly, don’t look for any continuity between this Quicksilver and the one we saw earlier this year. They’re operating on separate, independent (and likely conflicting) tracks. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/46 "2014-10-23T19:09:14Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > You have to let go. This is is different. This is a different continuity/alternate universe which is something any comic purist should readily understand and embrace. Just by calling myself a “purist” should indicate that I’m not readily embracing anything. But I like the way Whedon did the first Avengers so I’m willing to defer to his vision. The Wasp and Antman weren’t necessarily more interesting characters than Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver but the marriage problems they had was a much better drama vehicle. Plus they had a bigger role in Avengers history. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/47 "2014-10-23T20:01:04Z")
It wouldn’t surprise me if Antman was a surprise in the movie though. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/48 "2014-10-23T20:05:13Z")
Yeah, it would be nice if Ultron could be Pym’s creation but I also realize that you have to take a few short cuts in movies in order to keep things moving along. It would be nice if they could acknowledge Pym in the movie as a nod to those of us who know. Stark says something along the lines of “I’ve been tinkering with an AI algorithm that I got from a friend of mine…” type of thing. Ultimately, using Stark is going to get some buzz from us nerds but probably won’t matter a whole lot to people like my wife and kids who would want to see this movie but aren’t entrenched with the many decades of backstory involved in these characters. And of course, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt. The MCU hasn’t let us down yet. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/49 "2014-10-23T20:07:26Z")
Using Stark makes perfect sense if you want him taking the government side when they do civil war. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/50 "2014-10-23T20:16:11Z")
Angry Robot seems kind of a step down in villains from the alien army led by Norse deity in the first movie. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/51 "2014-10-23T20:19:45Z")
Angry Robot with a drive to eliminate humanity and an army of drones with Ironman capabilities who knows Our Heroes every weakness and foible. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/52 "2014-10-23T20:23:35Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Angry Robot seems kind of a step down in villains from the alien army led by Norse deity in the first movie. Maybe you don’t know this angry robot. Ultron was a huge villain in the Marvel universe around the 80’s and early 90’s. If they stick with the persona he had in the comics, I think he’ll measure up to Loki just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/53 "2014-10-23T20:42:58Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Yeah, it can’t really be that simple as literally everyone has been an Avenger at some point. That argument would allow the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and most of the mutants (including Wolverine) to be in the Avengers movies. > > Basically, they had a chat and came to an agreement. Talk about your simple answers! Yes, obviously, the reason why the contract Marvel signed with Fox doesn’t grant exclusive movie rights to these two characters is because the contract Marvel signed with Fox doesn’t grant exclusive movie rights to these two characters. Why didn’t Marvel sell Fox the exclusive movie rights to those two characters, as opposed to all the other characters associated with the X-Men, or any of the other characters whose rights they sold off in the '90s in a desperate bid for solvency? Because, as **Grumman** said, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are as associated as much with the Avengers as they are with the X-Men. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/54 "2014-10-23T20:44:31Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > Maybe you don’t know this angry robot. Ultron was a huge villain in the Marvel universe around the 80’s and early 90’s. He still is. The “Age of Ultron” comic event was only a few years ago, and involved Ultron successfully exterminating all life on Earth. (We also got better.) ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/55 "2014-10-23T20:52:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He still is. The “Age of Ultron” comic event was only a few years ago, and involved Ultron successfully exterminating all life on Earth. > > (We also got better.) Nice. No coincidence that I stopped around the early 90’s, though. It was around then that I got out of reading comics. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/56 "2014-10-23T20:53:27Z")
I somewhat recall one battle with Ultron in the Avengers comic book wherein all of the Avengers, including Thor, were on the ropes and came within an inch of being thoroughly beaten (and, if it weren’t a comic book, slaughtered). At last, they defeat Ultron and were barely standing when the wall explodes open and there stands another Ultron, with the number 2 on its forehead (or something like that; memory is a bit fuzzy, but they knew almost right away they were facing an army of Ultrons). Behind it are several more Ultrons, with numbers like 73 or 212 on their foreheads. Obviously the Avengers won, but it does show how Ultron can be an army unto itself. The trailer even showed something like this, with what looked like several suits of Stark’s armor, in various stages of construction, seemingly all being run by Ultron. I don’t think adamantium (the stuff Wolverine’s skeleton and claws were made of) has been introduced into the MCU, but Ultron regularly made himself bodies of this material, too. During those battles, it was only Scarlet Witch who could defeat Ultron, her hexes entering through its mouth opening to get past its indestructible shell and mess with its inner workings, because magic. This may play into the movie, as it looks as if the twins are on Ultron’s side at first, but I’ve read that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch become Avengers by the end.And yeah, Ultron is among the top half-dozen or so Huge Threats of the Marvel Universe. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/57 "2014-10-23T21:28:08Z")
Loki just wants to rule, Ultron is strictly of the “kill all humans” brand robot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/58 "2014-10-23T21:31:47Z")
Remember, too, that Hank Pym once built a rush-job robot that whupped Iron Man and Thor and Captain America in absolutely no time flat – and Ultron is supposed to be the _more_ dangerous version of that, the robot that’s built to improve itself so that it can improve itself so that it can improve itself forever and ever amen. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/59 "2014-10-23T21:43:32Z")
Ultron isn’t so much “angry robot” as he is “sentient computer virus.” He often takes over tech-heavy heroes’ equipment to rebuild himself. He’s used Ironman’s armor for this purpose repeatedly, including one time when Stark had integrated parts of the Ironman tech into his own biology, allowing Ultron to take total control over him, and, incidentally, transform him into a robot version of Janet van Dyne, because Ultron is _fucking creepy_. > [@DigitalC](#): > > ``` > Loki just wants to rule, Ultron is strictly of the "kill all humans" brand robot. > > ``` Except for his mom, who he wants to bone, because see above. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-age-of-ultron-trailer-leaks/702201/60 "2014-10-24T14:57:05Z")
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