# Avengers Disassembled: Place your bets! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 9, 2004, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217 "2004-07-09T03:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/21 "2004-07-17T21:48:36Z")
> [@Hey you!](#): > > Marvel has a [page](http://marvel.com/publishing/stories/whosnext.htm) (slightly tongue-in-cheek) that lets you track the casualties. Where’s the Invisible Woman? Can’t see her. _I can’t see her!!!_ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/22 "2004-07-18T01:14:04Z")
> [@Hey you!](#): > > Quesada’s new mantra is “Dead means Dead.” For what it’s worth. Um, yeah, that hasn’t really worked. I mean, they’ve killed Magneto off three times, and ressurrected him THREE TIMES in the past couple of years. Shit, his last death ended a big run that lead into the creation of several new X-titles, and by issue 2 of _Excalibur_, he was back. Of course, I haven’t actually read the comic, just flipped through them, but I can’t think of any other tall, white haired mutants with powers of magnatism and brands in their arms from their stays in internment camps that like to philosophise with Xavier, so I could be wrong… Still, I have very little faith in Quesada’s “Dead means Dead” proclimation. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/23 "2004-07-18T04:18:11Z")
“Dead means dead” only applies to heroes, who have actual dramatic deaths. They covered it in the last Thanos/big marvel limited series. He tells Adam Warlock that any heroes who die will simply have to be replaced. Villains never really die of course, so the rule doesn’t apply. :rolleyes: As for the deaths, who cares about balder and the warriors three? I thought actual avengers were going to die, not these bogus side characters. Personally, I got $10 on either Black Panther or Falcon. We all know minorities tend to fair rather poorly when stuff like this goes down 😛 ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/24 "2004-07-18T04:44:36Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Personally, I got $10 on either Black Panther or Falcon. We all know minorities tend to fair rather poorly when stuff like this goes down 😛 Kill the black guy? Good grief, I hope not. Falcon: “We is goin’ to die, Cap! We is all goin’ to die!” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/25 "2004-07-18T06:46:54Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Kill the black guy? Good grief, I hope not. > > Falcon: “We is goin’ to die, Cap! We is all goin’ to die!” :rolleyes: And then Photon(the former Captain Marvel) will scream: 'I don’t know 'nothing ‘bout fighting no baddies, Miss Van Dyne!’ Is there any other black heroine in the Marvel Universe besides Monica Rambeau? Anyways… minority superheroes are not gonna get killed. Bendis doesn’t want the kind of heat that’d go along with that, and I don’t blame him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/26 "2004-07-18T08:19:54Z")
> [@Art Vandelay](#): > > It doesn’t matter which of the Avengers dies. 'Cuz whoever it is, they will simply be “miraculously ressurected” by a new writer a year or two down the road. Iron-Man, Thor, Vision, Wonder Man, Black Knight, the Swordsman - all have been “killed off” - and yet they all came back. > > And then there was that time that “Korvac the Enemy” laid waste to just about everyone who was ever an Avenger (up until that point in time) in the space of one issue. They all got better. > > It’s that type of the thing that finally made me give up reading comics lo many years ago - about the time that Jean Grey (one of the few major characters to be definitively killed) turned out to be alive after all. So true. My gawd, why won’t Marvel let a character STAY dead? ☹ There was also Elektra… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/27 "2004-07-18T15:29:06Z")
> [@Hey you!](#): > > Marvel has a [page](http://marvel.com/publishing/stories/whosnext.htm) (slightly tongue-in-cheek) that lets you track the casualties. What? They killed Balder and the Warriors Three? I am \*\*so \*\*glad I’m not reading \*Thor \*anymore. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Beauty\_Personified](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e480ec/32.png) [@Beauty\_Personified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beauty_Personified)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/28 "2004-07-18T15:45:04Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Is there any other black heroine in the Marvel Universe besides Monica Rambeau? **Ororo Munroe** aka **Storm**. Who happens to be female, black, and _not_ a female version of a male hero. She’s pretty darn powerful too. If she just had some great solo stories behind her, and wasn’t tied down to just being another member of the **X-Men** , she could be one of the best female heroes around. Besides **Wonder Woman** , how many other female superheroes are there that aren’t just copies of male heroes and are well-known just on their own? This is something that really bothers me. Anyhoo… ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/29 "2004-07-21T01:35:05Z")
There’s **Monet St Croix** a.k.a. **M** as well, although she hasn’t shown up since Generation X was cancelled, and she’s no Storm, of course. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/30 "2004-07-21T02:31:09Z")
[http://www.newsarama.com/pages/Marvel/Avengers\_500/Avengers5001.htm](http://www.newsarama.com/pages/Marvel/Avengers_500/Avengers5001.htm) ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/31 "2004-07-21T02:35:03Z")
Opps missed Krokodil’s post…nevermind ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/32 "2004-07-21T05:16:55Z")
> [@Beauty Personified](#): > > For some reason, I thought Scott Lang had already died in the pages of _Alias_. > > Anyhoo… That was just a nightmare created by the Purple Man. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217/33 "2004-07-21T05:18:03Z")
Am I the only one who can see Scott Lang’s daughter turning into a very vicious vigilante because of this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-disassembled-place-your-bets/254217.md?page=1)