# Avengers: Endgame (NO SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512 "2019-03-25T17:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/21 "2019-03-26T17:12:29Z")
We will spend the first act re-assembling the team and dealing with/discovering the full impact of the snap. They will then use Ant-Man’s quantum thingy to go back in time and work thru avengers 1- maybe defeating thanos directly there so that the events in Infinity War never have a chance to happen. That would mean that affectively - the surviving avengers go back in time to defeat thanos and then likely disapear (die) in the process - but the avengers that are fighting loki on the ground in NY continue moving forward in time. So - we get to kill them and keep them and fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/22 "2019-03-26T17:27:06Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > 1. Keep in mind: Strange has seen the future. So he not only knows that giving up the time stone lets Thanos undo the destruction of the mind stone, he knows exactly who dies as a result of the snap. What I’d love to see is segments from alternate futures that he saw and avoided. Kind of like “Groundhog Day with Dr Strange”. Each segment could star a few heroes, watch what they do, then switch to another future after failure becomes clear. Plenty of chances for humor and one-off bits you could never put in a real time-line. There could be a few fake-outs where the audience is led to believe they’re finally seeing the best possible future, only to be twisted into failure. I think it could work. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/23 "2019-03-26T18:13:46Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > What I’d love to see is segments from alternate futures that he saw and avoided. Kind of like “Groundhog Day with Dr Strange”. Each segment could star a few heroes, watch what they do, then switch to another future after failure becomes clear. Plenty of chances for humor and one-off bits you could never put in a real time-line. There could be a few fake-outs where the audience is led to believe they’re finally seeing the best possible future, only to be twisted into failure. I think it could work. Do this and have different heroes die in each iteration. After some deaths make the subsequent scenes without them…only to bring them back randomly. Keep the audience on their toes as to who is really going to die until the very end ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/24 "2019-03-26T18:16:35Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > What I’d love to see is segments from alternate futures that he saw and avoided. Kind of like “Groundhog Day with Dr Strange”. Each segment could star a few heroes, watch what they do, then switch to another future after failure becomes clear. Plenty of chances for humor and one-off bits you could never put in a real time-line. There could be a few fake-outs where the audience is led to believe they’re finally seeing the best possible future, only to be twisted into failure. I think it could work. If they don’t do it in the movie, they’re working on an MCU “What-if” cartoon series. I hope “What if they got the Gauntlet off Thanos?” is one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/25 "2019-03-26T21:31:12Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > If they don’t do it in the movie, they’re working on an MCU “What-if” cartoon series. I hope “What if they got the Gauntlet off Thanos?” is one of those. I loved the What If? comics, however a large number them ended with everybody dying. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/26 "2019-03-27T01:03:54Z")
Poor Shuri. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/27 "2019-03-27T01:20:54Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > 1. Keep in mind: Strange has seen the future. So he not only knows that giving up the time stone lets Thanos undo the destruction of the mind stone, he knows exactly who dies as a result of the snap. > > 2. Letting Thanos have the stone when he did had to have some purpose, else he could have just given it up earlier and saved everyone some trouble. It can’t be to “save Tony”, because Tony’s imminent death was only imminent because Strange hadn’t yet yielded up the stone. Give it up at ANY point before then, and Tony survives anyway. Maybe _that’s_ the key? Give it up at any point before that, and Tony maybe just glares at Strange in disgust and disdain and disbelief; but if a brink-of-death Tony sees the stone get given up _so that Tony can live,_ maybe that — and _only_ that — is what will push the genius to engineer up some kind of, uh, time machine? ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/28 "2019-03-27T03:06:54Z")
What I hope to see, given that time shenanigans have ensued (and reality, to boot), is a post-credits scene that montages just a few glimpses of the universe as it is now. Things like an Avengers HQ exterior, a SHIELD helicarrier, Strange’s mansion, the Guardians’ ship, etc…and mixed in, the Baxter Building, Attilan, and that certain School for Gifted Youngsters. No persons in sight for those last three, just please include them! Make that ‘no persons in sight’ for any location. Don’t confirm the existence of any particular characters; just leave it kinda open (barring what actually just happened in the movie). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/29 "2019-03-27T19:33:02Z")
I have a hunch that this will somehow hinge on the comic trope of alternate timelines/realities. This timeline of the MCU is gonna essentially be permanently altered and maybe the dead stay dead in this reality. That’s how they eventually explain the recasting of the main characters without “rebooting” those franchises. Into The Spiderverse dipped our toe into these waters. The old timeline will probably remain viable for a while with Captain Marvel, GotG and Black Panther sequels occurring before the Snappening. But after a respectful wait, we’ll see a new Cap, Iron Man and Thor. Not new people assuming those mantels, but just them in a alternate reality with slightly different evolutions (and actors). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/30 "2019-03-27T19:43:12Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > My idea was that the plan will involve somehow communicating to Thor that he should go for the head in the fight with Thanos. I’m unsure on the logistics of how that might work though :). > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > 1. Keep in mind: Strange has seen the future. So he not only knows that giving up the time stone lets Thanos undo the destruction of the mind stone, he knows exactly who dies as a result of the snap. > > 2. Letting Thanos have the stone when he did had to have some purpose, else he could have just given it up earlier and saved everyone some trouble. It can’t be to “save Tony”, because Tony’s imminent death was only imminent because Strange hadn’t yet yielded up the stone. Give it up at ANY point before then, and Tony survives anyway. These two ideas could go together. Maybe Strange and team had to delay Thanos long enough so that Thor can arrive on Earth with Stormbringer. If he gives it up earlier Thor doesn’t almost kill him. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/31 "2019-03-27T19:51:14Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > What I hope to see, given that time shenanigans have ensued (and reality, to boot), is a post-credits scene that montages just a few glimpses of the universe as it is now. Things like an Avengers HQ exterior, a SHIELD helicarrier, Strange’s mansion, the Guardians’ ship, etc…and mixed in, the Baxter Building, Attilan, and that certain School for Gifted Youngsters. No persons in sight for those last three, just please include them! > > Make that ‘no persons in sight’ for any location. Don’t confirm the existence of any particular characters; just leave it kinda open (barring what actually just happened in the movie). They’ve already started building the groundwork for Stark/Avenger’s Tower becoming the Baxter building. He sold it off in Spider-man and the previews for Far From Home show construction being done on it. > [@Omniscient](#): > > I have a hunch that this will somehow hinge on the comic trope of alternate timelines/realities. This timeline of the MCU is gonna essentially be permanently altered and maybe the dead stay dead in this reality. > > That’s how they eventually explain the recasting of the main characters without “rebooting” those franchises. Into The Spiderverse dipped our toe into these waters. > > The old timeline will probably remain viable for a while with Captain Marvel, GotG and Black Panther sequels occurring before the Snappening. But after a respectful wait, we’ll see a new Cap, Iron Man and Thor. Not new people assuming those mantels, but just them in a alternate reality with slightly different evolutions (and actors). I really doubt we’ll have a comic-style timeline retcon. That seems antithetical to the MCU as a whole. There’s no point to have a new Steve Rodgers and a new Tony Stark when you can just have a new Cap and a new Iron Man. Also, while I’m sure Captain Marvel 2 will cover some ground between the first movie and now, I don’t see what would make a GotG and Black Panther semi-prequel very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/32 "2019-03-27T20:34:36Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I really doubt we’ll have a comic-style timeline retcon. That seems antithetical to the MCU as a whole. There’s no point to have a new Steve Rodgers and a new Tony Stark when you can just have a new Cap and a new Iron Man. I’m not a comic book reader (but ironically I love reading the Wikis and watching the various YouTube explainers) so I don’t know all the issues with that, but it seems like a pretty elegant solution for a “retcon” or is at least preferable to a Spiderman-style reboot or a Batman-style recasting. The MCU has the benefit of being able to pre-plan for this so it may seem like it’s much less of a crutch or a cop out when used here. The main problem with the “mantel” swap is that not every character can do it. How do you swap out the actor for Thor? How do you swap out Gamora or Steven Strange or Bruce Banner? > [@](#): > > Also, while I’m sure Captain Marvel 2 will cover some ground between the first movie and now, I don’t see what would make a GotG and Black Panther semi-prequel very interesting. I figure GotG3 and Blank Panther 2 will essentially follow the Ant Man and Wasp model of slotting in right before the events of Infinity War. Black Panther 2 could essentially wrap up with them accepting the exiled Avengers. GotG3 could be where they introduce Adam Warlock and continue the battle with the Sovereign and end with them getting the Asgardian’s distress signal. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/33 "2019-03-27T21:09:22Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The main problem with the “mantel” swap is that not every character can do it. How do you swap out the actor for Thor? How do you swap out Gamora or Steven Strange or Bruce Banner? Valkyrie for Thor. [Amadeus Cho](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeus_Cho) for Banner. Gamora is part of a group so she doesn’t need to be replaced. Strange is brand new, so we’re going to get a lot more movies out of him. But if they need to, they can easily slot in another wizard. > [@](#): > > I figure GotG3 and Blank Panther 2 will essentially follow the Ant Man and Wasp model of slotting in right before the events of Infinity War. Black Panther 2 could essentially wrap up with them accepting the exiled Avengers. GotG3 could be where they introduce Adam Warlock and continue the battle with the Sovereign and end with them getting the Asgardian’s distress signal. But Ant-Man wasn’t in Infinity War so it was fine not including him. And his movie came out just after. We’re at least a couple years away from GotG3 and Black Panther 2. They aren’t going to go back. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/34 "2019-03-27T21:26:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Valkyrie for Thor. [Amadeus Cho](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeus_Cho) for Banner. Gamora is part of a group so she doesn’t need to be replaced. Strange is brand new, so we’re going to get a lot more movies out of him. But if they need to, they can easily slot in another wizard. None of those would work. Especially Strange…the movies and comics aren’t called “Sorcerer Supreme” they are called “Dr. Strange” after Steven Strange, who is Busterbritches Crinklepants in the MCU. If they just recast the character we’re back in the old school morass of Batman, Superman and Spiderman reboots with diminishing returns. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/35 "2019-03-27T21:49:50Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The main problem with the “mantel” swap is that not every character can do it. How do you swap out the actor for Thor? In the comics, “Thor” has been: 1. The Son of Odin 2. Some dude named Erik Masterson 3. OG Thor’s ex-girlfriend 4. a space horse I think they can figure it out for the movie, if they need to. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/36 "2019-03-27T22:11:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In the comics, “Thor” has been: > > 1. The Son of Odin > 2. Some dude named Erik Masterson > 3. OG Thor’s ex-girlfriend > 4. a space horse > > I think they can figure it out for the movie, if they need to. Yeah…movies can’t be _quite_ as random as the comics. No one is seeing any of those movies except for _maybe_ the Thunderstrike one, though with Odin dead and Mjolnir destroyed in this reality that would require some creative crap for a origin story. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/37 "2019-03-27T22:14:31Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Yeah…movies can’t be _quite_ as random as the comics. Two of the most popular characters in the movies are a talking raccoon and a tree. They can get away with a \*lot \*of randomness. Plus, the space horse has already had a cameo. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/38 "2019-03-27T22:30:27Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Yeah…movies can’t be _quite_ as random as the comics. No one is seeing any of those movies except for _maybe_ the Thunderstrike one, though with Odin dead and Mjolnir destroyed in this reality that would require some creative crap for a origin story. They didn’t think anyone would want to see Iron Man and Thor. They didn’t they anyone would want to see Guardians of the Galaxy. Next phase they’re doing **The Eternals** and **Shang-Chi** ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/39 "2019-03-27T23:36:56Z")
I’ll give you Thor…but Iron Man was a high-confidence bet. That’s why he was first. Hulk was high-confidence too, but we see how those turned out. A .500 average ain’t bad. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/40 "2019-03-28T00:08:24Z")
Holy smokes. Looking over the cast list both Crossbones and The Ancient One are credited. Huh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512.md?page=3)