# Avengers: Endgame (NO SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512 "2019-03-25T17:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/61 "2019-04-04T19:24:43Z")
I am NOT looking forward to the appearance of the “Avengers: Endgame seen it! (Spoilers)” thread. It’s going to be a month or so before I’m able to see the movie, and peeking in the thread may prove to be irresistible. Is there any way to put a _thread_ on my Ignore list? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bumbazine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbazine/32/362_2.png) [@Bumbazine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbazine)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/62 "2019-04-04T23:03:01Z")
I think we’ll see 2 hours and 59 minutes of punching, flying, dying, and angst, and then Gamora will find out that Thanos killed half the people in the universe and say to him: _What the Hell is the matter with you?!?! Put it Back!!!_ Then she’ll take the gauntlet from him and destroy it. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/63 "2019-04-08T06:00:40Z")
Gamora’s dead. Not just dusted, dead dead. If they find a way to bring her back (time travel or whatever) everyone else will be back too. They had a press conference with most of the non-dusted actors (RDJ, Chris Evans, Brie Larson, Paul Rudd, Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, Don Cheadle, Jeremy Renner, Scarlett Johansson, Karen Gillian and Danai Gurira. Bradley Cooper wasn’t there even though Rocket’s one of the team now). There were empty chairs scattered around to “honor the fallen.” No one in the press pool has seen the movie and no one on stage could say anything about the movie so it was pretty surreal. I bought my ticket for the marathon so I cancelled my 3 A\*List reservations. I’ll need 2 days of solid sleep to recover from watching 22 movies in a row (my plan, if I can) and then I’ll go see it again. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/64 "2019-04-08T18:38:52Z")
What made Nick Fury decide to call Captain Marvel? We saw the whole thing with Thanos and knew the backstory, so we knew that half of the people in the universe were disappearing. But Fury didn’t see that; he only saw a few seconds of chaos in the streets of New York and decided this was the Big One. Really? This was bigger than the Chitauri, Ultron, PROTEAN, Malekith, Hydra, Hive, Dormammu, and the Inhumans? Fury didn’t call Captain Marvel for any of these. Maybe Fury knew all about Thanos and was aware what it meant when people started disappearing. He knew that meant Thanos had beaten all of the other heroes. But if Fury was aware of the stakes, why didn’t he call Captain Marvel in a couple of days earlier before the fight? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/65 "2019-04-08T18:45:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What made Nick Fury decide to call Captain Marvel? > > We saw the whole thing with Thanos and knew the backstory, so we knew that half of the people in the universe were disappearing. But Fury didn’t see that; he only saw a few seconds of chaos in the streets of New York and decided this was the Big One. > > Really? This was bigger than the Chitauri, Ultron, PROTEAN, Malekith, Hydra, Hive, Dormammu, and the Inhumans? Fury didn’t call Captain Marvel for any of these. > > Maybe Fury knew all about Thanos and was aware what it meant when people started disappearing. He knew that meant Thanos had beaten all of the other heroes. But if Fury was aware of the stakes, why didn’t he call Captain Marvel in a couple of days earlier before the fight? We’ve discussed this in the Captain Marvel thread and I think there will eventually a point where Fury reveals why, but Fury has always considered the Avengers to be Earth’s response team. Marvel only gets called in when they fail. And even if he doesn’t know what’s happening, it’s safe to say the if people start disappearing after multiple spaceships have arrived that the Avengers have failed. ---
**Author:** ![ebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@ebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ebb)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/66 "2019-04-08T18:50:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What made Nick Fury decide to call Captain Marvel? > > We saw the whole thing with Thanos and knew the backstory, so we knew that half of the people in the universe were disappearing. But Fury didn’t see that; he only saw a few seconds of chaos in the streets of New York and decided this was the Big One. > > Really? This was bigger than the Chitauri, Ultron, PROTEAN, Malekith, Hydra, Hive, Dormammu, and the Inhumans? Fury didn’t call Captain Marvel for any of these. > > Maybe Fury knew all about Thanos and was aware what it meant when people started disappearing. He knew that meant Thanos had beaten all of the other heroes. But if Fury was aware of the stakes, why didn’t he call Captain Marvel in a couple of days earlier before the fight? I think an equally good question is, Why didn’t Steve Rogers call Nick Fury to let him know what was going on? Yes, they were pressed for time, but they had a couple of hours on the flight over to Wakanda, and I assume Nick Fury isn’t that hard to get a hold of. I bet Black Widow could do it. It just seems that if you’re going into the final showdown for the fate of the universe you might want to spread the knowledge around a little, just in case anybody has any trump cards they’ve been saving and might want to pitch in. Maybe swing by Hell’s Kitchen and see if anyone there wants to jump on board the bus? So I guess the only reasonable explanation is that Rogers did call Fury, but Fury decided not to do anything about it, or even mention it to his 2nd in command, unless he got a clear sign that the heroes had failed. I have trouble buying that explanation too. That’s the problem with world-ending plots in big shared universes. You have to make excuses for the fact that everyone doesn’t show up to help. Probably it’s best to just not think about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/67 "2019-04-08T18:51:42Z")
I think Fury called Captain Marvel because it was about the only thing he could think to do in a matter of seconds. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/68 "2019-04-08T21:17:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What made Nick Fury decide to call Captain Marvel? I’m trying not to fight the retcon, I don’t think there’s any in-universe answer to that will satisfy. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/69 "2019-04-08T21:54:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Really? This was bigger than the Chitauri, Ultron, PROTEAN, Malekith, Hydra, Hive, Dormammu, and the Inhumans? Fury didn’t call Captain Marvel for any of these. The only ones Fury was involved with was Chitauri, Ultron, and Hydra. (Not sure what Protean is) Hydra was a terrestrial issue, not really something for Carol to get involved with. And they didn’t really know what the threat was until less than 24 hours before it happened. Not enough time to get her there.) The biggest threat with Ultron was that he was everywhere. While it would be nice to have one more body to punch robots, not much more Carol could do. And that brings us to Loki and the Chitauri. I would agree this is the one time Carol would be helpful and could probably get there in time if Fury called her right away. So why didn’t he? Because at that time, Fury was all in on building the Avengers. He couldn’t rely on Carol all the time. He needed a response team. So he took the risk of letting them handle the threat, knowing that in the long run it would be better for everyone to have a team of Earthbound heroes. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/70 "2019-04-08T22:28:22Z")
I think its a lot simpler than that. Fury saw people around him crumbling to dust, felt himself about to go so he did the only thing he could do. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/71 "2019-04-08T22:34:56Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think its a lot simpler than that. Fury saw people around him crumbling to dust, felt himself about to go so he did the only thing he could do. Right, is there really any question as to why Fury called her then? The only question is: “Why not all these other times?” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/72 "2019-04-08T23:16:57Z")
The only thing required to square up the “Why wasn’t Carol called in on all these other world ending events?” is, “It takes about a week for her to fly from wherever she is in the universe back to Earth.” Fury could have called her in on literally every event we see in the movies, and she still would have been in transit when Fury sends a “Never mind, we worked it out,” stand down message. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/73 "2019-04-09T06:49:49Z")
Right. We don’t know for sure that Fury never called Carol before. We just know that in the end, she wasn’t needed. Carol herself answers the question posed by Rhodey (“Where the hell have you been?”) [in this short clip](https://youtu.be/1iaM0sFimGE). We’ve seen bits of the clip before (Thor calling Stormbreaker and saying “I like this one”), but only a few people have seen Rhodey’s question and Carol’s answer until now. I think it was shown at the Disney shareholder’s meeting a few weeks ago. That’s the last clip I’m going to watch from the movie, no matter how many more they release in the next two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/74 "2019-04-09T06:56:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The only thing required to square up the “Why wasn’t Carol called in on all these other world ending events?” is, “It takes about a week for her to fly from wherever she is in the universe back to Earth.” Fury could have called her in on literally every event we see in the movies, and she still would have been in transit when Fury sends a “Never mind, we worked it out,” stand down message. Plus, Carol told Fury when she gave him the pager that the range was about 2 galaxies. If she’s been traipsing all over the universe, she was probably out of range for any call Fury might have made to her. Luckily she was in range for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/75 "2019-04-09T12:32:58Z")
There is also the assumption (on Fury’s part anyway) that Carol hadn’t been dusted. I guess at that point it doesn’t matter much. If she’s your last resort but never shows up, you’re no worse off. But if you do manage to contact her and she makes it back, then you’re hopefully in a much better position. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/76 "2019-04-10T13:39:35Z")
So just a warning - if your kids are into Lego and Marvel, don’t google “lego avengers set”. They just dropped a bunch of new Lego sets from Endgame, and the mere existence of some of them give spoilers away for the movie. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/77 "2019-04-10T14:32:04Z")
Toys are always spoilery, but they can get things wrong because they have to start them long before the movie is finished. There was a whole lot of “Hulk bursting out of the Hulkbuster armor” toys for infinity war that would have been considered spoilers before the movie came out, but just left people confused after. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/78 "2019-04-22T13:25:44Z")
We have our tickets for Low Sunday morning. Last night we started watching the Russo Brothers suggested viewing, since (despite the boys’ objection) I have no desire to watch 22 movies in a row. [ol] [li]The Avengers - Watched[/li][li]Captain America: Winter Soldier - Watched[/li][li]Avengers: Age of Ultron[/li][li]Captain America: Civil War[/li][li]Thor: Ragnarok (Not on thier list, but it’s a lot of fun)[/li][li]Avengers: Infinity War[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/79 "2019-04-22T14:54:18Z")
It’s down to the line! Any more speculation on how it’s going to work out? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/80 "2019-04-22T16:23:55Z")
> [@StraightTalk](#): > > It’s down to the line! Any more speculation on how it’s going to work out? Dr Strange wakes up in bed, turns over and says to Bob Newhart, “I just had the strangest dream”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512.md?page=5)