# Avengers: Endgame (NO SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512 "2019-03-25T17:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/101 "2019-04-25T14:23:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m not seeing the movie until Saturday but can anyone here remind me which characters were disappeared at the end of the last movie and who still remains? (I’d look it up but I’m avoiding spoilers any way I can.) **REMAINING:** Iron Man Thor Captain America Hulk Black Widow Rocket Raccoon Ant Man (and presumably Wasp) War Machine Nebula **DISAPPEARED:** Black Panther Spider Man Dr. Strange Falcon Scarlet Witch Winter Soldier Star Lord Groot Drax Mantis Shuri (BP’s techie sister) Nick Fury Maria Hill (SHIELD agent played by Cobie Smulders) **SPECIAL CASES:** - Gamora was apparently sacrificed for Thanos to gain the Soul Stone. - Vision was apparently killed when Thanos pulled the Mind Stone from his head. - Loki was apparently killed by Thanos on the Asgardian refugee ship early in _Infinity War_. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/102 "2019-04-25T14:32:27Z")
Put Wasp in the “apparently dusted” category, not the “apparently remaining”: At the end of _Ant-man and the Wasp_, he’s in the quantum realm, and trying to communicate with folks outside, but there’s no one on the other end. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/103 "2019-04-25T14:34:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Put Wasp in the “apparently dusted” category, not the “apparently remaining”: At the end of _Ant-man and the Wasp_, he’s in the quantum realm, and trying to communicate with folks outside, but there’s no one on the other end. I knew I’d screw up going from memory 😃 I forgot to mention Hawkeye … I’m pretty sure he’s still around. Though you covered him as one of the principal heroes in the 2012 _Avengers_ film. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/104 "2019-04-25T14:43:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > All of the original characters (the ones who were in Avengers 1) remain. The rest, we either saw dusting, or we don’t know. Thanks to you and others who replied. Weird that it broke down like that, with the original Avengers still around but not the others. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/105 "2019-04-25T15:03:00Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > I knew I’d screw up going from memory 😃 > > I forgot to mention Hawkeye … I’m pretty sure he’s still around. Though you covered him as one of the principal heroes in the 2012 _Avengers_ film. Hawkeye doesn’t appear in IW at all. When they’re all in Avengers HQ near the beginning of the movie, they mention him (and Ant-Man) briefly as it all being too hard on their families, so they took a deal and are under house arrest. So at the end of IW his fate is unknown. And Shuri isn’t shown dusted. The last time we see her is when Corvus Glaive gets into the room where she’s trying to remove the Mind Stone from Vision. She’s on the ground unconscious when Corvus & Vision break through the window, and is not seen again. So her fate is unknown as well. Some other main Wakandans - Nakia, the head of BP’s guard is still alive, and so is M’Baku, the head of the Jabari Tribe. Both shown alive during/after the dustings. Just confirmed all this watching from IW on Netflix. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Thanks to you and others who replied. Weird that it broke down like that, with the original Avengers still around but not the others. Well, it’s broke down however the writers wanted it to set up the next movie. And notice some non-original Avengers survived - Rhodes/War Machine wasn’t in the first Avengers movie at all, and Rocket isn’t an Avenger. You could say Rhodes pre-dates Avengers, but so does Bucky, and he gets dusted (he’s the first one we see dusted, BTW). ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/106 "2019-04-25T15:08:54Z")
Okoye survived as well. And Valkyrie is unknown. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/107 "2019-04-25T15:14:44Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Hawkeye doesn’t appear in IW at all. When they’re all in Avengers HQ near the beginning of the movie, they mention him (and Ant-Man) briefly as it all being too hard on their families, so they took a deal and are under house arrest. So at the end of IW his fate is unknown. > > And Shuri isn’t shown dusted. The last time we see her is when Corvus Glaive gets into the room where she’s trying to remove the Mind Stone from Vision. She’s on the ground unconscious when Corvus & Vision break through the window, and is not seen again. So her fate is unknown as well. > > Some other main Wakandans - Nakia, the head of BP’s guard is still alive, and so is M’Baku, the head of the Jabari Tribe. Both shown alive during/after the dustings. > > Just confirmed all this watching from IW on Netflix. For better or worse, Disney made clear the statuses of both Hawkeye and Shuri outside of the events of the _Infinity War_ film through the release of coded \*Endgame \*posters. [Characters that Thanos dusted got black-&-white posters](https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/endgame-posters-reveal-which-avengers-died/2900-2667/18/), the rest are in color. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/108 "2019-04-25T15:15:46Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > Okoye survived as well. And Valkyrie is unknown. Per the posters, Valkyrie survived. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/109 "2019-04-25T15:16:27Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > Okoye survived as well. And Valkyrie is unknown. Ah shit, that’s who I meant when I said Nakia. Nakia is who T’Challa has a crush on. She doesn’t appear in IW at all, so she’s unknown. But Okoye (shaved head, head of T’Challa’s guard, wants Wakanda to get a Starbucks) is definitely alive. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/110 "2019-04-25T15:17:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Put Wasp in the “apparently dusted” category, not the “apparently remaining” … Wasp is a “definitely dusted” per the posters. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/111 "2019-04-25T15:18:16Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > For better or worse, Disney made clear the statuses of both Hawkeye and Shuri outside of the events of the _Infinity War_ film through the release of coded \*Endgame \*posters. [Characters that Thanos dusted got black-&-white posters](https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/endgame-posters-reveal-which-avengers-died/2900-2667/18/), the rest are in color. Well that sucks. In both ways - the results themselves, and the fact that Disney gave that info out. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/112 "2019-04-25T15:51:06Z")
I was just saying based on what’s in the prior movies, not based on the trailers or other promotional material for _Endgame_. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/113 "2019-04-25T16:27:03Z")
Wasp was definitely dusted per Ant-Man and the Wasp, not the posters. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/114 "2019-04-25T16:56:04Z")
Right, but the prior movies leave (for example) Shuri and War Machine unknown. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/115 "2019-04-25T17:17:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Right, but the prior movies leave (for example) Shuri and War Machine unknown. War Machine is alive if anyone is. He’s in the 2nd to last scene where Steve is kneeling over Vision’s body, Nat walks up holding her stomach like she’s going to vomit, Thor is looking down, Rocket is sitting on a tree trunk, and Bruce is in the Hulkbuster armor. Rhodes says “What is this. What the hell is happening?” The camera slowly zooms towards Steve, who says “Oh god.”, then it cuts to Thanos watching the sunrise, then credits. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/116 "2019-04-25T20:51:19Z")
OK, I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/117 "2019-04-26T16:16:48Z")
Life has been holding me hostage, so I haven’t gotten to see Antman and Wasp or Captain Marvel yet. How important is it to see them before Endgame? ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/118 "2019-04-26T16:29:10Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Life has been holding me hostage, so I haven’t gotten to see Antman and Wasp or Captain Marvel yet. How important is it to see them before Endgame? I think the most that you need to know is that Captain Marvel exists and she’s a heavy hitter. For Antman, He was in the quantum realm when the snap happened in Avengers Infinity War ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/119 "2019-04-26T17:15:31Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I think the most that you need to know is that Captain Marvel exists and she’s a heavy hitter. For Antman, > > He was in the quantum realm when the snap happened in Avengers Infinity War From Captain Marvel, you **may** also need to know that (this is a CM spoiler, NOT an Endgame spoiler, I haven’t seen Endgame yet): Captain Marvel got her powers directly from the Tesseract, aka the Space Stone, last seen on the middle finger of Thanos’ Infinity Gauntlet. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-no-spoilers/831512/120 "2019-04-26T17:54:05Z")
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