# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/281 "2019-04-30T16:01:33Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Strange is holding back the water from consuming the battlefield. Suddenly you see a light bulb or eureka look on his face, and he looks at Stark and holds up a finger, as if to say _yes this is it_. Ah, I thought he was going to tell Stark that he was going to die and thought better of it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/282 "2019-04-30T16:02:50Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > IIRC, he was wearing a plain gold gauntlet, not a Stark-tech-looking gauntlet. But even if I’m wrong about that, simple answer…Stark mentally had the armor with the gems form around his own hand, and simultaneously had a new armored glove form around Thanos’s, so he wouldn’t notice the switch until too late. So the actual transfer wasn’t shown? That disappoints me. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/283 "2019-04-30T16:09:48Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > So the actual transfer wasn’t shown? That disappoints me. They kind of show the gems sort of bonding with Stark’s suit gauntlet. It’s pretty brief. It was one of the best moments in the last part of the movie, just before he says he is Iron Man and snaps his fingers, dusting the invaders and Thanos. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/284 "2019-04-30T16:22:10Z")
Tony attacks Thanos, and it appears that he’s trying to pull the guantlet off Thanos’s hand. Then Thanos throws him off, says “I am… inevitable” and snaps his fingers. Nothing happens, he looks at the gauntlet, and there are no stones on it. It cuts to Tony - his glove is reshaping in that cool Iron Man way, creating sockets for the Infinity Stones which then find their way to the new sockets. He says “But I am Iron Man” and snaps his fingers. So I think he didn’t switch gloves, he just somehow stole the stones off Thanos’s glove. We really have no idea why the Stones stay on the glove after all - in IW whenever Thanos gets a new one, he just holds it an inch over the gauntlet and it snaps into the socket as if pulled there. So there’s some tech in the gauntlet that has an affinity for Stones. Fanwank - when they killed Thanos at the beginning of Endgame, they took the Infinity Gauntlet back with them. Tony studied it’s tech to create his own IG. But it’s now based on Stark tech as well as Asgard/Dwarf tech. So when Tony touches it, he can take control of it, and turn off the tech that hold the Stones, then reconfigure his own glove to be an Infinity Gauntlet. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/285 "2019-04-30T16:38:28Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > So the actual transfer wasn’t shown? That disappoints me. If it were shown - then the scene would have fallen apart and not been nearly as good. The whole point of the scene was for Thanos (and the unspoiled audience) to think he had won again - that he was "inevitable’ - and then for our team - specifically Iron Man - to win in clever/unexpected manner. Showing the actual switcheroo would have undermined the entire flow., ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/286 "2019-04-30T16:41:43Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Re the Girl power scene. > The objection to it is that it’s clear pandering and does not make sense in context. You have a bunch of fighters, who basically don’t know each other assemble for one task. In the middle of fighting. :smack: > Which means that they abandoned whatever other task they were doing. > > In the scheme of the storyline, its ridiculous. Compare and contrast with probably the best fight scene in _Infiniti War_, also all female, when Scarlett Witch, Nat and Okoye fight the presumably female Proxima Midnight. It was good because it developed _organically._ > > There have been plenty of all male grouping which have been failed and been criticized for being pandering and servicey. > See for instance the Game of Thrones episode with the commando squad beyond the wall. I am female and until I read this I didn’t put an “all female” or “girl power” view on the Scarlet Witch, Nat, and Okoye fight in Infinity War. However, when I saw the all female battle scene in Endgame, my first thought was “well, that was gratuitous”. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/287 "2019-04-30T17:13:04Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Fanwank - when they killed Thanos at the beginning of Endgame, they took the Infinity Gauntlet back with them. Tony studied it’s tech to create his own IG. But it’s now based on Stark tech as well as Asgard/Dwarf tech. So when Tony touches it, he can take control of it, and turn off the tech that hold the Stones, then reconfigure his own glove to be an Infinity Gauntlet. It’s barely even a fanwank. I think someone above describe Stark as paranoid and clever. One recurring theme with Stark is that he’s constantly updating his suits to account for his past failures. Icing problem? Change the material. Can’t survive an attack from lightning whip guy? Add capacitors to hold electricity Thanos can dtroy your nano-tech shield? Add a forcefield projector Can get Thanos’s glove off his hand? Make it so your suit can pull the stones off instead. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/288 "2019-04-30T17:23:50Z")
Now that they’ve gotten rid of Thanos and introduced alternate timelines and timey wimey shenanigans maybe the new big bad will be Kang the Conqueror. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/289 "2019-04-30T17:30:42Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > MaxTheVool: > > IIRC, he was wearing a plain gold gauntlet, not a Stark-tech-looking gauntlet. But even if I’m wrong about that, simple answer…Stark mentally had the armor with the gems form around his own hand, and simultaneously had a new armored glove form around Thanos’s, so he wouldn’t notice the switch until too late. Tony and Rocket make a Stark-Tech gauntlet to hold the stones. It held the stones through the second half of the movie (and resized to fit Hulk’s hand). But it was Stark tech, which makes moving the stones to his gauntlet seems plausible and the empty gauntlet snap was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![ebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@ebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ebb)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/290 "2019-04-30T17:42:08Z")
> [@icon](#): > > Speaking of Bruce, I loved the call back to the scene in the first Secret Wars crossover series when he held up a mountain to keep the heroes alive. I am not the only one that noticed that, right? That was the first thing I thought of too. It would only have made it better if they had someone take the Mr. Fantastic role of insulting Hulk to make him madder and pump up his strength. On the whole I liked Professor Hulk in the movie, but would have liked to see at least a little bit of that old getting angrier / getting stronger vibe. Though the scene in New York where he’s fake raging was also a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/291 "2019-04-30T17:56:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > It’s barely even a fanwank. I think someone above describe Stark as paranoid and clever. One recurring theme with Stark is that he’s constantly updating his suits to account for his past failures. > > Icing problem? Change the material. > Can’t survive an attack from lightning whip guy? Add capacitors to hold electricity > Thanos can dtroy your nano-tech shield? Add a forcefield projector > Can get Thanos’s glove off his hand? Make it so your suit can pull the stones off instead. And that’s what makes him Iron Man. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/292 "2019-04-30T18:08:36Z")
Made. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/293 "2019-04-30T18:10:27Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Made. too soon dude - too soon. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/294 "2019-04-30T18:16:42Z")
Heavy boots of lead Fills his victims full of dread Running as fast as they can Iron Man lives again! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/295 "2019-04-30T18:25:02Z")
Well, he certainly did travel time for the future of mankind. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/296 "2019-04-30T18:25:16Z")
Here’s another question regarding the infinity stones. When Hulk is getting the time stone we learn that the timelines will be thrown off if the infinity stones aren’t returned to the same time they were taken from. IIRC Captain America said something about clipping the branches when he was returning them. The question I have is why do these alternate timelines need the stones? In the main timeline the stones have been gone for five years since Thanos’s second snap when he destroyed them. If the main timeline can continue just fine without the stones, why do the alternate timelines need them? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/297 "2019-04-30T18:53:48Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Here’s another question regarding the infinity stones. When Hulk is getting the time stone we learn that the timelines will be thrown off if the infinity stones aren’t returned to the same time they were taken from. IIRC Captain America said something about clipping the branches when he was returning them. The question I have is why do these alternate timelines need the stones? In the main timeline the stones have been gone for five years since Thanos’s second snap when he destroyed them. If the main timeline can continue just fine without the stones, why do the alternate timelines need them? Well, without the time stone they all get wiped out by Dormamu. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/298 "2019-04-30T19:08:13Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Well, without the time stone they all get wiped out by Dormamu. Right - its not that the timeline ‘needs them to stay straight’ - its that removing them from the ‘past of this timeline’ will fracture ‘this’ timeline. SO - its fine that the stones were destroyed - that’s what was ‘meant to happen’. It’s a closed loop now - once cap returned them to ‘the moment’ they were taken (wonder how exact he needed to be and how he pulled that caper off) ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/299 "2019-04-30T19:15:28Z")
I was surprised when Gwyneth showed up in a blue Iron-Man suit. I know they teased it earlier with the daughter in the tent. I just figured she’d come out using her fiery power from Iron Man 3. Wonder what happened to that? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/300 "2019-04-30T19:19:10Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > I was surprised when Gwyneth showed up in a blue Iron-Man suit. I know they teased it earlier with the daughter in the tent. > > I just figured she’d come out using her fiery power from Iron Man 3. Wonder what happened to that? She’s as cold as ice, willing to sacrifice… nah - I thought Tony explicitly said he could ‘cure’ that for her and then did (offscreen). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=16)