# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/341 "2019-05-01T09:05:45Z")
Wouldn’t Steve now have the advantage of knowing how Dr. Strange handled a similar dilemma? Strange knew that he had to give Thanos the stone in Infinity Wars in order for the ending of End Game to come to fruition. So Steve would be armed with that same rationale - just a little longer game. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/342 "2019-05-01T12:00:05Z")
I still maintain, there is nothing in the movie that indicates that Captain America did not erase his life with Peggy Past before returning back. He could have lived a long life, go back to where the timeline diverges, prune it, and then return. There is no need to imagine him staying out of anything. //i\ ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/343 "2019-05-01T12:52:35Z")
But you can’t erase things. That timeline with Peggy will still exist even if he goes back to 1942 and throws himself in a pit and covers it up. You just make a _third_ timeline where _that_ happened. The fact that Old Cap remembers his life with Peggy is all the evidence we need to know that that timeline still exists or else he wouldn’t be able to remember it. The “pruning” requires the restoration of things to return the alternate timelines back to the main. Even after Tilda Swinton gets her rock back, the thirty seconds or five minutes or day she spent without it before Cap returns it and that timeline returns to ‘normal’ will always exist independently. I’d guess that, in the Peggy timeline, he just does what he can to influence things for the better without going full Captain America. And it’s not ridiculous – even if he never let anyone know that he was Captain America, his wife is a significant person and it’s not the same as you or me going back in time and calling the Secret Service to say Kennedy will be shot. She can actually start action about things. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/344 "2019-05-01T14:02:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Apparently Peter Parker is back in high school, and all his friends are there too? How does that work? What are the odds against all of them being “snaptured”? As I recall, we only saw Peter (who we already knew had been snapped) and Ned. The other people we’re seeing are the other students who got snapped and are now returning to class five years later along with the students who were in elementary school five years ago and are now the same age as the snapped students. Peter and Ned’s peers who didn’t get snapped have all graduated and moved on. This does point out that there’s going to be a huge divide between the billions of people who were snapped and returned and the billions of people who lived through those five years. With Scott Lang being somewhere in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/345 "2019-05-01T14:08:51Z")
Rest assured, True Believers, that Howard the Duck was in the end battle. Here he is in a group shot, no doubt ready to unleash some Quack-Fu. [![](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/jqs5qdcpojttqjldfmjn.png) ](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/jqs5qdcpojttqjldfmjn.png) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/346 "2019-05-01T14:10:39Z")
Didn’t Peter Parker say that all he remembered was being in Wakanda, and then he woke up on Titan five years later? So did everyone reappear on Titan? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/347 "2019-05-01T14:18:04Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As I recall, we only saw Peter (who we already knew had been snapped) and Ned. The other people we’re seeing are the other students who got snapped and are now returning to class five years later along with the students who were in elementary school five years ago and are now the same age as the snapped students. Peter and Ned’s peers who didn’t get snapped have all graduated and moved on. > > This does point out that there’s going to be a huge divide between the billions of people who were snapped and returned and the billions of people who lived through those five years. With Scott Lang being somewhere in the middle. I could easily see 1or 2 years of no school as clean-up and new logistics are worked out. Pretty sure the day after the snap, school (or anything else) didn’t start right back up at 50% capacity. Same could be said for the day after the reverse snap. While the school reunion is nice on camera, it probably occurs months later (and Pete and Ned would likely have seen each other in that span). I’ll suspend my disbelief for the cool scene. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/348 "2019-05-01T14:19:05Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Didn’t Peter Parker say that all he remembered was being in Wakanda, and then he woke up on Titan five years later? So did everyone reappear on Titan? No, Parker was never in Wakanda. He woke up on Titan where both he and Dr Strange were dusted (among others). Strange says “Hey, we gotta roll” and portals them back to Earth while also alerting the rest of the Magic Users Guild about what’s going on and putting out an all points bulletin for everyone to get to Avengers HQ. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/349 "2019-05-01T14:21:41Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Didn’t Peter Parker say that all he remembered was being in Wakanda, and then he woke up on Titan five years later? So did everyone reappear on Titan? No he remembered getting all “dusty” then passing out and waking up five years later and Strange telling him to get ready. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/350 "2019-05-01T14:49:17Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Rest assured, True Believers, that Howard the Duck was in the end battle. Here he is in a group shot, no doubt ready to unleash some Quack-Fu. I was surprised they didn’t have Nick Fury appear in the battle scene. I also think it would have been cool if they had some supervillains appear to fight alongside the superheroes. It would have shown how serious a threat Thanos and his army was if even past opponents were willing to work together against him. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/351 "2019-05-01T15:01:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I also think it would have been cool if they had some supervillains appear to fight alongside the superheroes. It would have shown how serious a threat Thanos and his army was if even past opponents were willing to work together against him. I think that only works if you don’t kill off all of your villains which the MCU has fond of doing. //i\ ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/352 "2019-05-01T15:02:58Z")
The Russos clarified the timeline situation: > [@](#): > > ``` > Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe? > > A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like he has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply create a new reality. The characters in this movie created a new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon. > > Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop? > > A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to the past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not a butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam. > > ``` > > ​ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/353 "2019-05-01T15:17:59Z")
Anyone else feel Black Widow got pretty shafted? she’s been in every single Avengers movie and didn’t even get to take part in the last big battle. I know it was either her or Hawkeye (who’s gotten screwed a lot more in previous films), but they both deserved to be there. Sadly I can’t really think of anyone who would be disposable enough to trade for the soulstone, or that had a strong enough connection to make a valid sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/354 "2019-05-01T15:20:32Z")
Has anyone explained the Quantum realm anomalies? Hope’s mom was lost in the Quantum realm and it seemed like time passed normally for her, She was gone 20+ years, and came back 20+ years aged. But Scott was gone for 5 years, and said that, for him, it was only 5 hours. Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/355 "2019-05-01T15:26:15Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Anyone else feel Black Widow got pretty shafted? she’s been in every single Avengers movie and didn’t even get to take part in the last big battle. I know it was either her or Hawkeye (who’s gotten screwed a lot more in previous films), but they both deserved to be there. Sadly I can’t really think of anyone who would be disposable enough to trade for the soulstone, or that had a strong enough connection to make a valid sacrifice. She’s making up for it by getting her own TV series. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/356 "2019-05-01T15:29:57Z")
> [@Skara\_Brae](#): > > Has anyone explained the Quantum realm anomalies? Hope’s mom was lost in the Quantum realm and it seemed like time passed normally for her, She was gone 20+ years, and came back 20+ years aged. But Scott was gone for 5 years, and said that, for him, it was only 5 hours. Did I miss something? I think they explained it upfront, that the Quantum realm is unpredictable. Different things can happen depending on where you are. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/357 "2019-05-01T16:10:23Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > She’s making up for it by getting her own TV series. Is she? i thought she was getting an origin movie, that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/358 "2019-05-01T16:15:22Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Anyone else feel Black Widow got pretty shafted? she’s been in every single Avengers movie and didn’t even get to take part in the last big battle. I know it was either her or Hawkeye (who’s gotten screwed a lot more in previous films), but they both deserved to be there. Sadly I can’t really think of anyone who would be disposable enough to trade for the soulstone, or that had a strong enough connection to make a valid sacrifice. The was her Big Damn Hero moment. Having someone “disposable” do it would have ruined it. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/359 "2019-05-01T16:43:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Anyone else feel Black Widow got pretty shafted? she’s been in every single Avengers movie and didn’t even get to take part in the last big battle. I know it was either her or Hawkeye (who’s gotten screwed a lot more in previous films), but they both deserved to be there. Sadly I can’t really think of anyone who would be disposable enough to trade for the soulstone, or that had a strong enough connection to make a valid sacrifice. She gets to be front and centre of the big sacrifice scene instead of just another face in the crowd during a battle. I don’t know about superhero’s, but I heard actors/actresses would much rather have it that way. ---
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> [@bucketybuck](#): > > She gets to be front and centre of the big sacrifice scene instead of just another face in the crowd during a battle. I don’t know about superhero’s, but I heard actors/actresses would much rather have it that way. kinda got to wonder how the soul stone would have handled it had the rope broke and they both fell… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=19)